Original post: TrinateK
I believe in Magick. That is why I registered at OccultForums.com... but... In the back of my head, there is always a little doubt. I want to get rid of this doubt... but, I can't... or, I don't know how. Any suggestions? Doubt can ruin things sometimes, I want to get rid of the doubt, I just don't know how to approach it. Help would be much greatly appreciated! ^^
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Original post: Knave
Learn about anything and everything, read theories, practices and the such and sooner or later you will realize that this doubt is there for a reason it has much to teach you. This doubt is just an obsticle that will make you stronger. There is no way to completely get rid of it when you first start, and i'm not sure if there is a way even if your become advanced. 4 years of practicing and extensive research and and I still have doubts of wether or not this spell or ritual will work, its natural. Hope i have helped.
Learn about anything and everything, read theories, practices and the such and sooner or later you will realize that this doubt is there for a reason it has much to teach you. This doubt is just an obsticle that will make you stronger. There is no way to completely get rid of it when you first start, and i'm not sure if there is a way even if your become advanced. 4 years of practicing and extensive research and and I still have doubts of wether or not this spell or ritual will work, its natural. Hope i have helped.
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Original post: Karen Eliot
You might consider Crowley.
You might consider Crowley.
Doubt.
Doubt Thyself.
Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself.
Doubt all
Doubt even if thou doubtest all.
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Original post: Radiant Star
In many ways, doubt will keep you sane and grounded, it will stop you getting into wild imaginings and keep you balanced; it is to be accepted and befriended.
Doubt will help you qeustion things and lead you to deeper truths rather than illusions; in the doubting and questioning you will see the difference between the falsity and truth.
Hopefully doubt will also add caution and stop you doing anything rash; it will enable you to weigh things up and strike a happy medium.
Doubt is good - kept in balance.
Rays
In many ways, doubt will keep you sane and grounded, it will stop you getting into wild imaginings and keep you balanced; it is to be accepted and befriended.
Doubt will help you qeustion things and lead you to deeper truths rather than illusions; in the doubting and questioning you will see the difference between the falsity and truth.
Hopefully doubt will also add caution and stop you doing anything rash; it will enable you to weigh things up and strike a happy medium.
Doubt is good - kept in balance.
Rays
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Original post: Wiseone
yes i agree with all they said but make sure that your doubt doesnt control your magic or someother practice as some like psionics i think require you to not doubt it or it wont work. im not sure about that though but just make sure it wont take control of you.
yes i agree with all they said but make sure that your doubt doesnt control your magic or someother practice as some like psionics i think require you to not doubt it or it wont work. im not sure about that though but just make sure it wont take control of you.
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Original post: Fr.NovumOrganum
Do something more directly practical than theurgic. Cast a sigil, make a talisman.....when it works, you will have a one wall of your temple to rely on.
Do something more directly practical than theurgic. Cast a sigil, make a talisman.....when it works, you will have a one wall of your temple to rely on.
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Original post: whimsy
one of the most insightful things a mentor told me once, is that you should doubt your experiences, otherwise you hazard zealotry. some of my most dramatic personal evolutions have occurred when i decided everything was bullshit, and this is when i ended up learning the most. it is also, ironically, when all the reasons i stepped onto this path in the first place are reinforced...and not always pleasantly.
Question Everything! it's the new white meat.
one of the most insightful things a mentor told me once, is that you should doubt your experiences, otherwise you hazard zealotry. some of my most dramatic personal evolutions have occurred when i decided everything was bullshit, and this is when i ended up learning the most. it is also, ironically, when all the reasons i stepped onto this path in the first place are reinforced...and not always pleasantly.
Question Everything! it's the new white meat.
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Original post: TrinateK
Thanks a lot! These are good ways of looking at Doubt in a different point of view. I'd totally forgotten about the balance and such. Though, I will still try to get rid of a bit more doubt, though probably not all.
Thanks a lot! These are good ways of looking at Doubt in a different point of view. I'd totally forgotten about the balance and such. Though, I will still try to get rid of a bit more doubt, though probably not all.
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Original post: Wiseone
that is good.
that is good.
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Original post: Ranger
As NovumOrganum already posted, practice is the key. Nothing better than getting some results :-D
As NovumOrganum already posted, practice is the key. Nothing better than getting some results :-D
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Original post: Nalyd23
Why do you want to get rid of doubt? It is doubt and confusion that reminds us that we are alive. If you have no doubt you must not be thinking anymore. I stay in doubt and things Magickally happen.
Why do you want to get rid of doubt? It is doubt and confusion that reminds us that we are alive. If you have no doubt you must not be thinking anymore. I stay in doubt and things Magickally happen.
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Original post: Grey Magician
I don't think we got what he mean't. What i got from it was this, doubt during a spell/ritual is very bad, it send's negative energy with the spell or ritual therefore limiting how good it might work. So how do you get rid of doubt. This is something i also struggled with. But what i learned was that doubt will alway's be there, but you have to banish it for a little bit during a ritual or spell. You can not think it might not work during a spell or ritual because it won't work due to the fact that you send negative energy to the spell or ritual.
How i get rid of it during ritual or during a spell is i think of all the confirmation's that i have gotten, all the spell's i have done and how they worked and how fast they did. If you are a newbie then that won't help, because you haven't done any. SO do this, believe in magic and believe that you can do anything. Make yourself believe that you have done stuff like this before or seen it personally and you know it is possible. Make yourself know anything is possible. Use this method perhaps. There is a god or many gods and goddesses but we don't know why we got here. We don't know our reason for being here and we we are meant to do. Through all of these questions not answered i realize the mystery and mystism of the world. There is no for sure thing's. Therefore anything is possible. Also energy is everywhere. How we do spell's is through sending energy through spell's. So since it is everywhere and that is how they work, and anything is possible, i can do magic and have it work. Think of it like that.
Hope this helped.
Sincerely,
GM
I don't think we got what he mean't. What i got from it was this, doubt during a spell/ritual is very bad, it send's negative energy with the spell or ritual therefore limiting how good it might work. So how do you get rid of doubt. This is something i also struggled with. But what i learned was that doubt will alway's be there, but you have to banish it for a little bit during a ritual or spell. You can not think it might not work during a spell or ritual because it won't work due to the fact that you send negative energy to the spell or ritual.
How i get rid of it during ritual or during a spell is i think of all the confirmation's that i have gotten, all the spell's i have done and how they worked and how fast they did. If you are a newbie then that won't help, because you haven't done any. SO do this, believe in magic and believe that you can do anything. Make yourself believe that you have done stuff like this before or seen it personally and you know it is possible. Make yourself know anything is possible. Use this method perhaps. There is a god or many gods and goddesses but we don't know why we got here. We don't know our reason for being here and we we are meant to do. Through all of these questions not answered i realize the mystery and mystism of the world. There is no for sure thing's. Therefore anything is possible. Also energy is everywhere. How we do spell's is through sending energy through spell's. So since it is everywhere and that is how they work, and anything is possible, i can do magic and have it work. Think of it like that.
Hope this helped.
Sincerely,
GM
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Original post: Dracoid
I know what do you mean.I have such doubts and fears too.This is not the healthy
kind of doubt,that will keep you sane and grounded.This kind of doubt appears no
matter what experience in magic do you have.It is somehow obessive,painful,there
is no logic in it and appears contrary to all facts.Peter Caroll calls it Psychic Censorship.
What is it and when appears?I have noted,that it appears to me after intensive occult
and succesful magical work-contrary to every logic!The other case,when this can appear
is when you want to give evidience to a non-occultist(a "muggle",actually) or to make
him/her to believe in the occult and magical.Why really?Where is the difference?
Let me describe the people in several cathegories according their interest in the occult:
A.All the magic and occult is a lie,supperstition,only psychotics and ignorant people can
accept it.
B.Hmm,I don't know what to thing,there might be any truth in all this,but it is too far
from me,I have other things to do.
C.OK,I believe it,but I don't feel I could cope with this...I'd better ask someone,who is
experienced in it to solve my problem...
D.Interesting,great...I will read something about this,I will try some rituals...
All after D. will be interested in the occult,they may become dedicated Wiccans,ceremonial
magicans,members of occult orders,covens,they may become even famous mystics and
magicans.
Why do I mean with all this.I consider myself as dedicated student in Wicca,western
occult traditions and other magical systems such the Sirius magic.No matter what
experience I have,the problem "Doubt" occures even now-and after succesful and
heavy psychic and magical work-after I have spent a lot of psychic energy!
I may consider the people of group C and D as the level of the minimum psychic
energy amount,needed for one to become involved in the occult.The succesful
magical work demands energy level greater than D.D is the start.
When you exhaust yourself,you may fall under C and D and become even A for
a while-I know many people,who have experienced this.
How to cure it.When you have once become D and after D,you CANNOT be back!
You will be D and after soon.You need time to regain your psychic energy.Sometimes
kundalini may help,sometines it is needed time.Sometimes it could help-if you are into
black arts-psychic vampirism.Just find a couple of pseudooccultists ,fluffies etc and try
to preach magical moral among them.Try to make them to forget about the occult.
And you will feel better.But this method is not very good-the psychic vampirism may
drain all psychic "bugs"-fears,delusions etc and you can become as your victums.
The best advice I can give against such kind of doubts is to take REST.I'd prefer to
take vacation of all magical life and work(exept my daily rituals and sabbats)during
the "dark" perod of the year-from Autumn Beginning till Yule.Or I may take a few
weeks after an exhausting magical project I have worked.There is nothing wrong
in it.
As I say rest,I mean to forget about all magic.Of course,If there is something special
or magical problems(such attacks),there won't be vacation.
You may do some yoga and other kind of energy exercises for regaining the energy.
Kundalini is something very good for such purpose.
So,If you feel,that there occures some kind of this "unhealthy" doubt,it may take different
forms:"rationalistic",religious("that you might burn in hell etc"),that you are not enough
enveloped or illuminated to practice magic,that this is not spiritual or "noble" activity,
and other kind of idiotic ideas,just LEAVE for a moment,there is nothing wrong in it.
But if you feel that the question is logical and there are real reasons to discuss your
path-you are welcome to ask the others:))
Blessed BE!
)
I know what do you mean.I have such doubts and fears too.This is not the healthy
kind of doubt,that will keep you sane and grounded.This kind of doubt appears no
matter what experience in magic do you have.It is somehow obessive,painful,there
is no logic in it and appears contrary to all facts.Peter Caroll calls it Psychic Censorship.
What is it and when appears?I have noted,that it appears to me after intensive occult
and succesful magical work-contrary to every logic!The other case,when this can appear
is when you want to give evidience to a non-occultist(a "muggle",actually) or to make
him/her to believe in the occult and magical.Why really?Where is the difference?
Let me describe the people in several cathegories according their interest in the occult:
A.All the magic and occult is a lie,supperstition,only psychotics and ignorant people can
accept it.
B.Hmm,I don't know what to thing,there might be any truth in all this,but it is too far
from me,I have other things to do.
C.OK,I believe it,but I don't feel I could cope with this...I'd better ask someone,who is
experienced in it to solve my problem...
D.Interesting,great...I will read something about this,I will try some rituals...
All after D. will be interested in the occult,they may become dedicated Wiccans,ceremonial
magicans,members of occult orders,covens,they may become even famous mystics and
magicans.
Why do I mean with all this.I consider myself as dedicated student in Wicca,western
occult traditions and other magical systems such the Sirius magic.No matter what
experience I have,the problem "Doubt" occures even now-and after succesful and
heavy psychic and magical work-after I have spent a lot of psychic energy!
I may consider the people of group C and D as the level of the minimum psychic
energy amount,needed for one to become involved in the occult.The succesful
magical work demands energy level greater than D.D is the start.
When you exhaust yourself,you may fall under C and D and become even A for
a while-I know many people,who have experienced this.
How to cure it.When you have once become D and after D,you CANNOT be back!
You will be D and after soon.You need time to regain your psychic energy.Sometimes
kundalini may help,sometines it is needed time.Sometimes it could help-if you are into
black arts-psychic vampirism.Just find a couple of pseudooccultists ,fluffies etc and try
to preach magical moral among them.Try to make them to forget about the occult.
And you will feel better.But this method is not very good-the psychic vampirism may
drain all psychic "bugs"-fears,delusions etc and you can become as your victums.
The best advice I can give against such kind of doubts is to take REST.I'd prefer to
take vacation of all magical life and work(exept my daily rituals and sabbats)during
the "dark" perod of the year-from Autumn Beginning till Yule.Or I may take a few
weeks after an exhausting magical project I have worked.There is nothing wrong
in it.
As I say rest,I mean to forget about all magic.Of course,If there is something special
or magical problems(such attacks),there won't be vacation.
You may do some yoga and other kind of energy exercises for regaining the energy.
Kundalini is something very good for such purpose.
So,If you feel,that there occures some kind of this "unhealthy" doubt,it may take different
forms:"rationalistic",religious("that you might burn in hell etc"),that you are not enough
enveloped or illuminated to practice magic,that this is not spiritual or "noble" activity,
and other kind of idiotic ideas,just LEAVE for a moment,there is nothing wrong in it.
But if you feel that the question is logical and there are real reasons to discuss your
path-you are welcome to ask the others:))
Blessed BE!
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Original post: phoenix_shadowwolf
try seeing the magic in everything. create a magic environment. visualize...
yes, of course practice. but also, make sure that while you are practicing you are doing everything you can to make it feel right. i for one am one of those people who thinks you need a long flowing cape and background music to even remotely think of doing a spell, ritual, or meditation. find out what makes you feel more magical, more effective, and do it.
try seeing the magic in everything. create a magic environment. visualize...
yes, of course practice. but also, make sure that while you are practicing you are doing everything you can to make it feel right. i for one am one of those people who thinks you need a long flowing cape and background music to even remotely think of doing a spell, ritual, or meditation. find out what makes you feel more magical, more effective, and do it.