Original post: Venus666
Hello all;
Upon popular request I am writing this article on the Art of Transvocation.
This means that the state of transvocation is like invocation, but the summoner retains thier consciousness, and it is like evocation because the presence can be felt and there is much communication between the entity and the participant - Transvocation is a state of being where the summoner retains consciousness and is able to make descisions without being influenced by the entity. I will try to explain its meaning and use, and the process of this state. The I will give an example of my latest transvocation, the summoning of Belial.
There are five states of summoning. The first is evocation, which is calling a spirit to appear in spiritual form (as in a triangle or circle) The second state is Invocation, which literally calls the demon within your body (some say it radiates outwards from within, but this is a matter of perspective) the third state is transvocation, which uses the personality and perspective of a demon to gain knowledge and insight. The fourth state is a state of dissasociation, where the summoner is able to remove thier conscoiusness from the states of summoning, and is able to seperate themselves allowing them to temporarily escape. The fifth and most important state is the state of the SELF often labeled the Ipseic, which describes the actual self, the inner being that one will realise while messing with these states. this is the "pure and perfect" state of self that a demon, angel or god can not touch, and it acts as a release of tension and a backup plan incase you feel youre being manipulated. Full, personal understanding of these states is only gained thru the practice of them.
Once you practice these states you will begin to see how reality itself is not static. You can manipulate your own reality by letting your mind dip into these realms. you may begin to feel "Lost" or even "meaningless" after messing with these states for a while. This is why dissassociation is so important to the summoner.
Being able to dissassociate from yourself will allow you to escape when a spirit tries to tempt you into doing something that you do not want to do. It also allows you to step back and actually see whats going on, to see the whole picture at once. You can not be afraid to enter these states of mind, because without a shift in consciousness nothing can happen. That is the key, allowing yourself to experience these shifts. When you learn how to dis-associate, you will also begin to learn about the Ipseic, the self. You will, thru disassociation be able to see the self as you ARE, and all it takes is this moment of realisation to let you enter this state at any time you need.
Transvocation can be called a direct method of summoning, because the only tool one needs to make it work, is the power of the mind. It is a mental state that you use to open the gateway of communication between you and a spirit, and the spirt realm. This state of being lies between evocaton and invocation, and it constantly wavers between these two consciousnesses. (it is the easiest state of summoning to enter)
While you are transvoking a demon you will have access to the demon's (spiritual) perspectives. The first few times you go thru this it will blow your mind. Heres an example: while transvoking Asmodeus, I had concentrated upon Lust,. when he began to appear in my life, i was pointed at situations where lust was the determining factor. The spirit literally peeled away layers around me and let me see into other peoples intentions. These intentions were, of corse, colored by lust. Suddenly, the meanings of situations became clear to me, with lust being the motivation behind people's actions. Then after it showed me the why's of lust it showed me HOW people are manipulated by it. Some info was also revealed as to the very nature of lust itself. It was enlightening to say the least. All the while I had verification that this actually was a demon, and also, I was able to ask it several questions which the answers were given to me in the form of a riddle..(ie theres no way I was just imagining it, this was an actual interaction, and it was awesome!!)
The use of transvocation can make direct communication possible for you, and there will be no need to draw protective circles or to use fancy evocations to "attempt" to contact a spirit. A sucessful transvocation can last for a few hours up to a few days, or even weeks- depending on how long you let the spirit stay with you. If you need to break away, you must begin by dissassociating and then entering the Ipseic. Without this, it will feel like there is no escape from thier "reality". Remember that reality itself is like water, it is not stable and it can be shaped by your will and desires..
Transvocation, this state(of being) begins by making a direct link to the demon.. it works well with godforms as well as independent demons/spirits/angels. Anything that has a sentience can be communicated with by this method. Simply by contacting the spirit the gateway is opened.
Concentrating on the essence of what they are and what they represent often is the best way. For instance, Belial is represented by greed- and while I was making the connection to him with my mind, I tried to consume myself with the energies of greed. In this way he was compelled to come to me upon the principality that like attracts like. If i had been summoning a being of lust I would have concentrated upon "lust" , the actual energies of this archetype. Doing it this way automatically places you in command. This is because you become the director and are a participant at the same time. The demon has no choice but to obey you. Each demon, god or being will have it's own unique way of interacting with you, and you can use this to verify if you are actually dealing with the demon that you want.
The communication between you and the demon is made thru psycic images, words that immediately come to your mind thru the subconscious and, occurence of events that (seem) miraculous. Do not doubt for one moment that a demon does not have its own agenda, because they do. They are only acting on thier natural intentions, whatever that be. They are creatures of divinity, and thus they work in divine ways and methods. ( the terminology here of "Divine beings" descibes a purely spiriutal force)..Thus as a divine being they will prod and cojole you to get you to invoke them, so that they can experience thier divinity thru your essence. (this is true for MOST beings) I trust no spirit, and as long as I dont give them permissions to take over my being they are still compelled to act on my behalf, simply because I AM and I WILL it to do so. I am of the firm belief that nothing can outlast the human will, not even that of a god.
Once you reach the state of transvocation, you may have to re enter it every few hours, if ift dosent just consume your mind.. Depends on how long you work with them. The more time you put into it, the more you get out of it.
Transvocation can be said to be the state of being that takes aspects of invocation and evocation, and uses it as one process.
Transvocation can also lend itself to the state of gnosis, and while maintaing your balence between consciousness you can share your "awareness" with that of a demon. Its uses are limitless once you realise the possibilities of opening yourself to other realms of awareness like this but, remember-- when you open yourself to these states of summoning you will literally be opening a pandoras box and youll see what I mean when you realise that NOTHING is like what you thought it was. You will feel like youre in a whole new world. Your not, you just learned to see it in a whole new way.
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I promised to tell of the Transvocation of Belial so, here goes. Some parts edited upon the respect of this being that I had dealings with. I kept a record for the first few days so that I could have an account of this. Let me warn you, those of you who CLAIM to be OPEN-MINDED.. I work in a stripclub and have for 3 years. This type of job is very social, and most of my night is talking people into having a good time. This type job has allowed me to readily mess with peoples heads and has given me the opportunity to exerise my psychic skills while at work. I also read Tarot for people in the club.. but heres the real deal. My account of Belial
Transvocation of the Spirit Belial 6/16/05
I found my book, the Goetia, which I had not used since last year. I read thru some of the pages and I came across a page that was bookmarked. It was bookmarked with one of the Club Topic free passes. Intrestingly enough this is one of the reasons that I wanted to evoke in the first place.
On that page was the 68th spirit, Belial. I have worked with this spirit before and the last time I worked with him, was when I worked at Topic before. What happened before was interesting and it sets the groundwork for what is to come. He is a mighty, powerful spirit ready to help those who will align with him.
He indeed helped me during a time of transvocation but I had failed by giving in during an opportunity. I had actually failed myself by giving into greed at the moment of opportunity, foolishly forgetting the consequences in the face of gain. I discontinued the transvocation, seeing it as too risky of a game to play at the time. Lesson learned.
Now, I am ready to face this spirit again; and with fervor. There is nothing like the spirit of Belial, he is the lie within the truth. The shining darkness. He has once again called to me.
Well I began, by studying the goetia once again. No other spirit called to me like him, his radiance and his brilliance. I got out my paints and I prepared a canvas. I found refrence materials and I began another tribute to the Lord Belial.
The first day, I began by working on the drawing and doing the preliminary transvocation. I recieved visions of his grace and potency. He is incredible. According to the goetia he rides in a chariot of fire, and is actually two angelic beings in one. I think this description is just a metaphor for his true nature, which is the forward movement of life thru the veil of deception and truth.
I was asked to do a ritual and to draw the sigil. Something told me to get my citrine crystal. Aafter I chose that, I was given a sign to choose another crystal as a wand, my quartz.. I went to the summoning room and my cat Shadows followed me. I then broke out the bats blood ink and the parchment. The cat stood guard at the door while I drew the sigil. Something told me to place it on the altar till I could bury it. I wa given instruction how and when to bury said sigil.
The room was on fire from astral flames. I felt a tremendous energy and pressure about me, like I was in a capsule. The room was enflamed. Temperature was moderate. Then I took my crystal, and drew the magick circle from left to right. I then sat down and drew another sigil with pen on a piece of parchment. This was the pact for later. I began to felt hot, dizzy and tired. Then something told me to stand up and call the quarters with my wand. I said the 4 names: gabriel Michel Asrael SE, SW, NW. As I drew each quarter I could feel actual heat come off my wand.
AMazingly, later I found out that the same names I used for this are a part of the Banishing ritual of the Pentagram. Well afterwards, I headed for bed, and I was really tired.
This method, altho very impromptu helped me to mentally concentrate on bringing the demon belial back into my life.
2nd day 6/17
I began work on the painting again. I went to my altar, placed the painting ont he altar and lit a candle. I then said outloud that I was offering this as a gift to belial. A gift and a tribute. Some of the visions that I had for the past two days have been amazing and enlightening. He comes as a robed man, bald, tall menacing eyes with light behind them (as if his eyes are light) he has a dark aura.
(Note-This is probably just my way of seeing him)
His presnece is that of grace, power emminance. He is amazing, Ihave only touched the surface of the potential of this being. You must be self reliant strong to reach this being. I have seen him as a woman, as an old man with a menacing face, a bearded old man. I have also seen him as a Lion Very regal and stately. Also, as a dead being with a hollow face horrid- but not enought to frighten me(perhaps this was a test of some sort).
Evidences:
things had been moved in the ritual room next day
Emination and presence of spirit.
heat of wand
Voice and Vision of the astral
Familiar joined me (my cat)
6/18
OK. Last night was the full moon. I went to work and I wore my fire crystal, my Citirine. I was sitting at the bar, and the FIRST customer who walked thru the door tookme to the VIP in 5mins. I was shocked. He was tall, bald, built, he looked very similar to the creature of a man that I am painting of belial. His features were so similar and his eyes were a light blue. When I danced for him I read his aura and energised his Manipura chakra, and I sent him visuals. I knew the visuals and the energies worked because I saw his reaction immediately.
(Yes this was, a spell taught to me in that instant that only would have worked in that instance.!!)
My chain broke with my crystal when I was dancing on the stage.
Later on, I ran into a customer that I had danced for a while ago. He was an older man, and we got along nicely. He saw my pentacle ring and asked me If I was a witch,. I told him that I read tarot and I studied the occult. He said "I like witches". When we went to the VIP I was on the second dance and he said "Hmm well have to do a sacrifice sometime" I cant believe he said that.. for real......I was in shock at that point. I relate that statement to the issues that I have with belial.
Also, there was a new dancer who is alot prettier and friendlier than Marissa. I really enjoyed watching the jealousy rise up in her. it was a moment of greatness. (another spell was revealed to me, the answer to how Id manipualte hER) Also, Marissa and Alana both came in at the same time and hung out together working tables. According to rumor these are the two Whores at the club. Funny how they ended up together. Like attracts like in a situation like this. By watching how the situation unfolded and developed I learned new ways to use magick. Several spells revealed using the nature of lust, desire, greed jealosy..
Another bonus is the new DJ that they hired. Hopefully it will be a good descision for the club to hire him. This is what Ive been asking for!
I made more money than anyone else that night and I noticed a few things that had changed with the situation at club topic. So far so good.
Evidences:
man who undoubtedly looked like the same man I am painting. Eerie coincidence?
"well have to do a sacrifice sometime"
My crystal's chain broke. I see this as a sign of somethng?. Perhaps no crystals at work.
Alana and Marissa in the same boat. YES
Jealousy burning within Marissa.secret to her weakness and downfall.
select customers who really PAID.
New DJ
6/19
I had a great night at work. Several revelations came to me throughout the day and night. Belial at one point was a vision of a lion. Beautiful lion. I worked onmy painting adding in a new background. I cant wait unitl it is finished. I am using the art as an offering. I am seeing results, not fantastical results but certainly clever nonetheless. I feel its presence. I had a good time at work. Felt the influence and saw results. Marissa tried to cut in on me at the table I was sitting at, but I called another dancer over to the table and we both danced for him, and got tipped to. HA BITCH this was not likely to happen, so to me it was a divine act ...manifestation
Evidences
Marissa got cut off by me in a nasty way. This was exacting revenge.
well as youll see, from my perspective my life for the next few days took on an extra meaning, and much was revealed to me thru knowledge and magick. It's now been a coulple of weeks,(another moon) and since, I have not buryed the sigil, but I have made another one and burned it. I also suffered thru a depression for not followiing my own advice and dissassociating. Im talking deep depression, life is worthless kinda stuff. Down to the atomic Level, literally. This spirit, BELIAL is nothing to mess with and if he gets ahold of you in the wrong way he can make you feel as if you are worthless. The whole thing is akin to enterning the abyss of self hatred and returning with wisdom. Maybe this is how he teaches, this is his method. He literally tried to get me to worship him, also, during this time, but I replied that worship was a pointless gesture. he could not argue.
But anyway.
I had a breakthru lately and since then, I have been sent a familiar to work with at work. This familiar is in the guise of a woman, who I have had some fortunate events happen for me while working with her and also she is a tool of manipulation for me. Please pardon my satanic nature, as this is how I manifest my desires in this world.
Thanks for reading this...Please leave a comment if you think that I am right or wrong.
heres also a good source for info on these techniques.
I promised to tell of the Transvocation of Belial so, here goes. Some parts edited upon the respect of this being that I had dealings with. I kept a record for the first few days so that I could have an account of this. Let me warn you, those of you who CLAIM to be OPEN-MINDED.. I work in a stripclub and have for 3 years. This type of job is very social, and most of my night is talking people into having a good time. This type job has allowed me to readily mess with peoples heads and has given me the opportunity to exerise my psychic skills while at work. I also read Tarot for people in the club.. but heres the real deal. My account of Belial
Transvocation of the Spirit Belial 6/16/05
I found my book, the Goetia, which I had not used since last year. I read thru some of the pages and I came across a page that was bookmarked. It was bookmarked with one of the Club Topic free passes. Intrestingly enough this is one of the reasons that I wanted to evoke in the first place.
On that page was the 68th spirit, Belial. I have worked with this spirit before and the last time I worked with him, was when I worked at Topic before. What happened before was interesting and it sets the groundwork for what is to come. He is a mighty, powerful spirit ready to help those who will align with him.
He indeed helped me during a time of transvocation but I had failed by giving in during an opportunity. I had actually failed myself by giving into greed at the moment of opportunity, foolishly forgetting the consequences in the face of gain. I discontinued the transvocation, seeing it as too risky of a game to play at the time. Lesson learned.
Now, I am ready to face this spirit again; and with fervor. There is nothing like the spirit of Belial, he is the lie within the truth. The shining darkness. He has once again called to me.
Well I began, by studying the goetia once again. No other spirit called to me like him, his radiance and his brilliance. I got out my paints and I prepared a canvas. I found refrence materials and I began another tribute to the Lord Belial.
The first day, I began by working on the drawing and doing the preliminary transvocation. I recieved visions of his grace and potency. He is incredible. According to the goetia he rides in a chariot of fire, and is actually two angelic beings in one. I think this description is just a metaphor for his true nature, which is the forward movement of life thru the veil of deception and truth.
I was asked to do a ritual and to draw the sigil. Something told me to get my citrine crystal. Aafter I chose that, I was given a sign to choose another crystal as a wand, my quartz.. I went to the summoning room and my cat Shadows followed me. I then broke out the bats blood ink and the parchment. The cat stood guard at the door while I drew the sigil. Something told me to place it on the altar till I could bury it. I wa given instruction how and when to bury said sigil.
The room was on fire from astral flames. I felt a tremendous energy and pressure about me, like I was in a capsule. The room was enflamed. Temperature was moderate. Then I took my crystal, and drew the magick circle from left to right. I then sat down and drew another sigil with pen on a piece of parchment. This was the pact for later. I began to felt hot, dizzy and tired. Then something told me to stand up and call the quarters with my wand. I said the 4 names: gabriel Michel Asrael SE, SW, NW. As I drew each quarter I could feel actual heat come off my wand.
AMazingly, later I found out that the same names I used for this are a part of the Banishing ritual of the Pentagram. Well afterwards, I headed for bed, and I was really tired.
This method, altho very impromptu helped me to mentally concentrate on bringing the demon belial back into my life.
2nd day 6/17
I began work on the painting again. I went to my altar, placed the painting ont he altar and lit a candle. I then said outloud that I was offering this as a gift to belial. A gift and a tribute. Some of the visions that I had for the past two days have been amazing and enlightening. He comes as a robed man, bald, tall menacing eyes with light behind them (as if his eyes are light) he has a dark aura.
(Note-This is probably just my way of seeing him)
His presnece is that of grace, power emminance. He is amazing, Ihave only touched the surface of the potential of this being. You must be self reliant strong to reach this being. I have seen him as a woman, as an old man with a menacing face, a bearded old man. I have also seen him as a Lion Very regal and stately. Also, as a dead being with a hollow face horrid- but not enought to frighten me(perhaps this was a test of some sort).
Evidences:
things had been moved in the ritual room next day
Emination and presence of spirit.
heat of wand
Voice and Vision of the astral
Familiar joined me (my cat)
6/18
OK. Last night was the full moon. I went to work and I wore my fire crystal, my Citirine. I was sitting at the bar, and the FIRST customer who walked thru the door tookme to the VIP in 5mins. I was shocked. He was tall, bald, built, he looked very similar to the creature of a man that I am painting of belial. His features were so similar and his eyes were a light blue. When I danced for him I read his aura and energised his Manipura chakra, and I sent him visuals. I knew the visuals and the energies worked because I saw his reaction immediately.
(Yes this was, a spell taught to me in that instant that only would have worked in that instance.!!)
My chain broke with my crystal when I was dancing on the stage.
Later on, I ran into a customer that I had danced for a while ago. He was an older man, and we got along nicely. He saw my pentacle ring and asked me If I was a witch,. I told him that I read tarot and I studied the occult. He said "I like witches". When we went to the VIP I was on the second dance and he said "Hmm well have to do a sacrifice sometime" I cant believe he said that.. for real......I was in shock at that point. I relate that statement to the issues that I have with belial.
Also, there was a new dancer who is alot prettier and friendlier than Marissa. I really enjoyed watching the jealousy rise up in her. it was a moment of greatness. (another spell was revealed to me, the answer to how Id manipualte hER) Also, Marissa and Alana both came in at the same time and hung out together working tables. According to rumor these are the two Whores at the club. Funny how they ended up together. Like attracts like in a situation like this. By watching how the situation unfolded and developed I learned new ways to use magick. Several spells revealed using the nature of lust, desire, greed jealosy..
Another bonus is the new DJ that they hired. Hopefully it will be a good descision for the club to hire him. This is what Ive been asking for!
I made more money than anyone else that night and I noticed a few things that had changed with the situation at club topic. So far so good.
Evidences:
man who undoubtedly looked like the same man I am painting. Eerie coincidence?
"well have to do a sacrifice sometime"
My crystal's chain broke. I see this as a sign of somethng?. Perhaps no crystals at work.
Alana and Marissa in the same boat. YES
Jealousy burning within Marissa.secret to her weakness and downfall.
select customers who really PAID.
New DJ
6/19
I had a great night at work. Several revelations came to me throughout the day and night. Belial at one point was a vision of a lion. Beautiful lion. I worked onmy painting adding in a new background. I cant wait unitl it is finished. I am using the art as an offering. I am seeing results, not fantastical results but certainly clever nonetheless. I feel its presence. I had a good time at work. Felt the influence and saw results. Marissa tried to cut in on me at the table I was sitting at, but I called another dancer over to the table and we both danced for him, and got tipped to. HA BITCH this was not likely to happen, so to me it was a divine act ...manifestation
Evidences
Marissa got cut off by me in a nasty way. This was exacting revenge.
well as youll see, from my perspective my life for the next few days took on an extra meaning, and much was revealed to me thru knowledge and magick. It's now been a coulple of weeks,(another moon) and since, I have not buryed the sigil, but I have made another one and burned it. I also suffered thru a depression for not followiing my own advice and dissassociating. Im talking deep depression, life is worthless kinda stuff. Down to the atomic Level, literally. This spirit, BELIAL is nothing to mess with and if he gets ahold of you in the wrong way he can make you feel as if you are worthless. The whole thing is akin to enterning the abyss of self hatred and returning with wisdom. Maybe this is how he teaches, this is his method. He literally tried to get me to worship him, also, during this time, but I replied that worship was a pointless gesture. he could not argue.
But anyway.
I had a breakthru lately and since then, I have been sent a familiar to work with at work. This familiar is in the guise of a woman, who I have had some fortunate events happen for me while working with her and also she is a tool of manipulation for me. Please pardon my satanic nature, as this is how I manifest my desires in this world.
Thanks for reading this...Please leave a comment if you think that I am right or wrong.
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[QUOTE=Venus666]
I had a breakthru lately and since then, I have been sent a familiar to work with at work. This familiar is in the guise of a woman[/QUOTE]
Ok, so how do you know she's a familiar?
[QUOTE=Venus666]
I had a breakthru lately and since then, I have been sent a familiar to work with at work. This familiar is in the guise of a woman[/QUOTE]
Ok, so how do you know she's a familiar?
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likely question. this only came to pass in the last few days.. It was what I had been asking for. I could ask for proof but that is not my focus . wether it is or not, it has allowed for some fortuitios events to happen for me.. so really I got what I asked for in the short term, and the long term.
I had to think about what a familiar really is. Some say, its a pet that helps with magick. I see it in this situation like this : this person is (easily)influenced on a (divine) level by this demon. that is the only way that i can explain some of the coincidences in the past couple days.
likely question. this only came to pass in the last few days.. It was what I had been asking for. I could ask for proof but that is not my focus . wether it is or not, it has allowed for some fortuitios events to happen for me.. so really I got what I asked for in the short term, and the long term.
I had to think about what a familiar really is. Some say, its a pet that helps with magick. I see it in this situation like this : this person is (easily)influenced on a (divine) level by this demon. that is the only way that i can explain some of the coincidences in the past couple days.
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great posts...good reading and a good working; i really like how you learned tools to use against your enemies at the club....in my book real magick always teaches....
great posts...good reading and a good working; i really like how you learned tools to use against your enemies at the club....in my book real magick always teaches....
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Original post: OipTeaaPdoce
Thanks for the article! Always nice to see some quality posting
I have a couple of questions...
When you were at the club and elsewhere other then your house, were you always able to feel the presence of Belial? Or was it more just when you did the rituals? Does the Dameon stay with you for the full few days? Are they just as aware of you as you are them? If so (on the are they with you all the time question) what happens when someone else calls them during those days? Do you and the Dameon share thoughts during this time or?
Also, is it an odd changeover after working with one Dameon a lot to start working with another?
Sounds like an effective method btw
Athena
Thanks for the article! Always nice to see some quality posting
I have a couple of questions...
When you were at the club and elsewhere other then your house, were you always able to feel the presence of Belial? Or was it more just when you did the rituals? Does the Dameon stay with you for the full few days? Are they just as aware of you as you are them? If so (on the are they with you all the time question) what happens when someone else calls them during those days? Do you and the Dameon share thoughts during this time or?
Also, is it an odd changeover after working with one Dameon a lot to start working with another?
Sounds like an effective method btw
Athena
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Original post: Venus666
hey-OipTeaaPdoce- Ive seen some of your posts, and I can see that you have worked with goetia entities before. You asked me some great questions; Ill attempt to answer them. Remember all this is based on feeling and spititual phemnomenon. Some of it may differ for you but its basically really all the same.
Most likely, you would have to practice riutal magick for a few years to understand the intriciate nature of working with demons outside the ritual room. Really, to work with ritual magic for a while is better at first, for it lets you leave what you want to behind..
Not so with direct summoning.With direct summoning you are potentially working with demons instead of just summoning them to make them work for you. It can be a 2-sided deal, you know.
hey-OipTeaaPdoce- Ive seen some of your posts, and I can see that you have worked with goetia entities before. You asked me some great questions; Ill attempt to answer them. Remember all this is based on feeling and spititual phemnomenon. Some of it may differ for you but its basically really all the same.
At times, yes; during the day something would call to my attention, I would get a sign, or what I considered a sign here and there. Not necessarily in the ritual room but out of it. The presence is fairly noticible, and I feel as if when the demon enters into my life, my life is "colored" by it's impressions. Day and night, asleep or awake. In fact, I went thru 2 weeks of nightmares, every night.When you were at the club and elsewhere other then your house, were you always able to feel the presence of Belial? Or was it more just when you did the rituals?
Understand the nature of these divine beings. For instance, a demon can be in 2 places at once because they are not bound by physical laws. And they are able to consiously divide thier attention to whoever is working with them. I believe that gods are created by men, and a demon is more likely to pay attention to someone who is getting it;s attention and is less likely to "mess" with someone (as in hauntings and other phenomenon) they are divine beings and can be in more places than one. Ive often thought about this too, and this is my conclusion.Does the Dameon stay with you for the full few days? Are they just as aware of you as you are them? If so (on the are they with you all the time question) what happens when someone else calls them during those days?
Infromation comes in several different forms and it would do you some good to get a feel of how it works. You'll get signs, symbols. Sudden realisations.. It just comes to you if you are willing to learn. I have found that you can influence the kind of info that you get, but it depends on your willingness to understand. IN other words they are less likely to help you in any way if you are beligerent and rude about it..they will be forced to obey but you are missing out on the potenital of having the full source of energy and knowledge at your disposal.D you and the Dameon share thoughts during this time or?
Most likely, you would have to practice riutal magick for a few years to understand the intriciate nature of working with demons outside the ritual room. Really, to work with ritual magic for a while is better at first, for it lets you leave what you want to behind..
Not so with direct summoning.With direct summoning you are potentially working with demons instead of just summoning them to make them work for you. It can be a 2-sided deal, you know.
Yes, but if you actually switch you can see how they work in different ways. Its quite interesting, actually. but now, for me, I let a few weeks pass buy before I mess with something else. All you got to do is open the door.Also, is it an odd changeover after working with one Dameon a lot to start working with another?
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Thanks Venus, great information. The post about your experience with Belial was very interesting. I learned a lot from it.
Do you think dependant upon the person practicing, different kinds of summonings may work better for different personalites?
Thanks Venus, great information. The post about your experience with Belial was very interesting. I learned a lot from it.
Do you think dependant upon the person practicing, different kinds of summonings may work better for different personalites?
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This is interesting. I don't know what, if any, theories you hold as to the origins of the Goetic spirits, and was wondering: Has Belial shared any information with you pertaining to his origins and Fall? I have noticed that those who practice techniques similar to mine tend to get similar information from the spirits, and was wondering if the spirits relate different or similar information depending upon the backround/beliefs of the practitioner, and the way in which the spirit is contacted.
Hope to hear back from you, Venus!
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This is interesting. I don't know what, if any, theories you hold as to the origins of the Goetic spirits, and was wondering: Has Belial shared any information with you pertaining to his origins and Fall? I have noticed that those who practice techniques similar to mine tend to get similar information from the spirits, and was wondering if the spirits relate different or similar information depending upon the backround/beliefs of the practitioner, and the way in which the spirit is contacted.
Hope to hear back from you, Venus!
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Yes indeed; I did some research into what the books say about belial. Mostly the internet, the catholic encyclopedia and some other sources. But they all said the same basic thing about the meaning of his name (be-liar, BEL- lilal, ect)
-and also that he was once a god at one time, and demanded sacrifices and such.. Well, when I did succeed in tapping into his current and had his attention, I did ask about the nature of his being.. he revealed to me that he was once a king, and he represents a dual nature, the nature of the truth within the lie.
My conversations with beings like this are more of a spiritual nature, and I do not ask for physical evidences, I dont prod for visions and proof. How they interact with you depends alot on your attitude when summoning them, what kind of person you are. I do not see demons as an enemy nor as a friend, but as a divine spiritual force that could (potentially) F* up my world IF I LET IT. However it could also improve the quality of my life and magick, so Ill take that chance. LOL:-)
He seemed to represent 2 things at once.. he gave me some insights into his being, but I couldnt sit there with a pen and paper and get everything he said to me. Alot of it was just felt, and immediately understod like he injected it into me...heh.. So yeah, I did ask about his nature and he did give me some insights.
"belial, free from the Yoke"
Belial means seperated from god.. and he revealed what this means. Self reliance, to gain what I want and need, with no use for god to depend on. In a sense this is wicked(and evil) but only because society in general has been trained to think this way. I also found that he represents the 1t chakra--it is the realm thru which alot of his work is accomplished.
Gave me insight into that area of my being, what is good and what I need to change.. I came to him as a willing student anyway.
(I believe that demons can effect the chakras in specific ways, in a Divine way.. In other words they can manipulate you on a divine level, do not underestimate them and just think that it affects your mind and aura. The do so much more!))
While revealing this info I had a new found respect for this being, which seemed to puff up his ego a bit. He also revealed to me that there is a whole underlying system (of magick, and self realisation) from this demon, belial. and maybe it was his way to try and get my worship but that dosent happen so easily for me. I believe i can still get what I want without having to worship. I expressed that to him, and I also mentioned that there is no need to worship a demon. Always use reasoning when they present you with an idea. Some things you should act on and some things you should leave alone. Workin with these beings for a while will give you and idea of the potential effects..
The biggest block that is most common is fear, and fear is really the only enemy to the summoner.
hitman777
Yes indeed; I did some research into what the books say about belial. Mostly the internet, the catholic encyclopedia and some other sources. But they all said the same basic thing about the meaning of his name (be-liar, BEL- lilal, ect)
-and also that he was once a god at one time, and demanded sacrifices and such.. Well, when I did succeed in tapping into his current and had his attention, I did ask about the nature of his being.. he revealed to me that he was once a king, and he represents a dual nature, the nature of the truth within the lie.
My conversations with beings like this are more of a spiritual nature, and I do not ask for physical evidences, I dont prod for visions and proof. How they interact with you depends alot on your attitude when summoning them, what kind of person you are. I do not see demons as an enemy nor as a friend, but as a divine spiritual force that could (potentially) F* up my world IF I LET IT. However it could also improve the quality of my life and magick, so Ill take that chance. LOL:-)
He seemed to represent 2 things at once.. he gave me some insights into his being, but I couldnt sit there with a pen and paper and get everything he said to me. Alot of it was just felt, and immediately understod like he injected it into me...heh.. So yeah, I did ask about his nature and he did give me some insights.
"belial, free from the Yoke"
Belial means seperated from god.. and he revealed what this means. Self reliance, to gain what I want and need, with no use for god to depend on. In a sense this is wicked(and evil) but only because society in general has been trained to think this way. I also found that he represents the 1t chakra--it is the realm thru which alot of his work is accomplished.
Gave me insight into that area of my being, what is good and what I need to change.. I came to him as a willing student anyway.
(I believe that demons can effect the chakras in specific ways, in a Divine way.. In other words they can manipulate you on a divine level, do not underestimate them and just think that it affects your mind and aura. The do so much more!))
While revealing this info I had a new found respect for this being, which seemed to puff up his ego a bit. He also revealed to me that there is a whole underlying system (of magick, and self realisation) from this demon, belial. and maybe it was his way to try and get my worship but that dosent happen so easily for me. I believe i can still get what I want without having to worship. I expressed that to him, and I also mentioned that there is no need to worship a demon. Always use reasoning when they present you with an idea. Some things you should act on and some things you should leave alone. Workin with these beings for a while will give you and idea of the potential effects..
yes some will always be better suited for ritual magick. That in itself can be carried to great heights as can direct sumoning. Im sure that the riutal way of summoning uses the 5 states of summoning, just in a more ritualised manner.Do you think dependant upon the person practicing, different kinds of summonings may work better for different personalites?
The biggest block that is most common is fear, and fear is really the only enemy to the summoner.
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Venuss666 you ever worked with High Demons like Lucifuge or Azazel or Astaroth? Im sure you have, as your very advanced
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Venuss666 you ever worked with High Demons like Lucifuge or Azazel or Astaroth? Im sure you have, as your very advanced
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Original post: Drakonach
I have a question about transvocation. You know how for the most part pagans often say they feel called to their deities, well do you think it is possible that angels, demons, and the such could actually call to us through a form of transvocation to work with them? The reason I ask is that as of late I have been getting the feeling that a specific demon has been trying to reach out to me. I understand that the Tree of Life is a dual system of ascending and descending, well could transvocation be a dual system as well? If anyone has any thoughts please feel free to share. Thanks.
DWTW
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I have a question about transvocation. You know how for the most part pagans often say they feel called to their deities, well do you think it is possible that angels, demons, and the such could actually call to us through a form of transvocation to work with them? The reason I ask is that as of late I have been getting the feeling that a specific demon has been trying to reach out to me. I understand that the Tree of Life is a dual system of ascending and descending, well could transvocation be a dual system as well? If anyone has any thoughts please feel free to share. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Drakonach]The reason I ask is that as of late I have been getting the feeling that a specific demon has been trying to reach out to me.[/QUOTE]
I recommend that you banish, asap.
[QUOTE=Drakonach]The reason I ask is that as of late I have been getting the feeling that a specific demon has been trying to reach out to me.[/QUOTE]
I recommend that you banish, asap.
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Original post: Scarlett_156
I'm sorry for bumping this old topic, mod--but this is extremely important work here. I've been studying it very closely for the last week or so, and started working with transvocation myself. I've been keeping a record of my experiments and will be posting that soon.
I'm very grateful to Venus666 for these articles. They are comprehensive, well-written, entertaining, and useful.
I'm sorry for bumping this old topic, mod--but this is extremely important work here. I've been studying it very closely for the last week or so, and started working with transvocation myself. I've been keeping a record of my experiments and will be posting that soon.
I'm very grateful to Venus666 for these articles. They are comprehensive, well-written, entertaining, and useful.
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Original post: John S. Brackett
I'm sorry for bumping this old topic, mod--but this is extremely important work here. I've been studying it very closely for the last week or so, and started working with transvocation myself. I've been keeping a record of my experiments and will be posting that soon.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. It has a lot to think about, although I don't agree with the method of transvocation--I'd rather keep demons at arms length.
I'm sorry for bumping this old topic, mod--but this is extremely important work here. I've been studying it very closely for the last week or so, and started working with transvocation myself. I've been keeping a record of my experiments and will be posting that soon.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. It has a lot to think about, although I don't agree with the method of transvocation--I'd rather keep demons at arms length.
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Original post: chinche
I've tried transvocation too, well that's my favorite way to contact entities, and this is really usefull and workfull... And some others use is that as said in the first post tyou can keep linked to the entity as far as you want for me i'm connected with one for 4 years and it's really interesting. But for the moment i'haven't tried to connect to another entity...
I've tried transvocation too, well that's my favorite way to contact entities, and this is really usefull and workfull... And some others use is that as said in the first post tyou can keep linked to the entity as far as you want
for me i'm connected with one for 4 years and it's really interesting. But for the moment i'haven't tried to connect to another entity...
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I see all methods of interacting with Goetics can be successful. That's good.