Free Will as politically incorrect tool

[astrolabgoz9881]

Imagine back in old times when there is a danger for a city and people run in hills. What would you bring? Back in those times they had no regulations like if you are bringing one or two bags with you like when if you are getting evacuated today. Will you bring your relics and your sword depends on you, and the incorrect part comes, your ability to survive. Today, people with less chances to survive a collective danger would have equal chances to survive and have a strong argument to call you whatever if you are juggling two balls up hills running from a flood, andno matter if they suffer if their free will is subject to mass regulations or not. It is all a cruel thing to say nowadays but imagine medieval Europe with no standard measures and all the regulations we know, where no one is bothered if you go insane, have difficulties learning, you are an oddball or ass, of different kinds known to medieval Europeans, the world prior to 19th century where your FREE WILL is unusurpated with regulations and only your ability to decide and bear it to the end and then survive determines your right to conduct the way you want, to wear the dress you fit when there are no standard measures etc. And is society today benefiting all sorts of less worthy people for the sake we lose our full range of free will and go path of overpopulation and endangering the nature? With people usurpating our free will. Is it up for the world being humane to grow an average society, putting us oddballs behind retards?
I know this isva great heavy loaded subject but let it remain in the trollpit for the sake of current opinion.

[Desecrated]

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Shorten it

[Ramscha]

Ehm, and what exactly are you up to now? That regulations violate your free will and you have to help those munch heads or what?

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

School textbooks do strange things to be people's sense of history and the human condition. You're not alone, I was known to fall for whitewash once in a while myself.

[astrolabgoz9881]

I am saying the world since the modern era is changed in the way average majority of less worthy slugs are benefiting of equal chances to survive each disaster, did you call them munch heads, as anyone else. Those munch heads in the case the society lifts all the regulations and laws and standards wouldn't have enough skill, mind and free will to overpopulate the planet and endanger it. The human is primarily an animal which belongs to nature which can only regulate his life, but we live in a lie the whole society of people not striving to cosmical purpose and self realization through spiritual development should have the same standards and regulations upon them, while we are getting more and more newborns each day we don't know if they are coming from unclean parts of the Universe to abuse our planet (and they are on the right path dooming us into disaster) just because we are growing the kind in the number thinking how we made this world more humane since the middle ages when free will of gifted individuals was not attacked by mass regulations. Basically, morons are benefiting from equal rights [crazy]

[Ramscha]

Basically, morons are benefiting from equal rights [crazy]

Well, that is the reason for some people who say that basic democracy does not work because of that.
On the other hand we also had regulations in the middle ages, when your birth decided more or less who you are. There was not much of a will which you could have had, even when you had a aristocratic status. Since then the those birth borders were substituted by money but softened a little bit, but instead the borders of society as a whole became more solid and strict. Its inhabitants are still afraid what lays beyond...... munch heads.

[astrolabgoz9881]

Well, that is the reason for some people who say that basic democracy does not work because of that.
On the other hand we also had regulations in the middle ages, when your birth decided more or less who you are. There was not much of a will which you could have had, even when you had a aristocratic status. Since then the those birth borders were substituted by money but softened a little bit, but instead the borders of society as a whole became more solid and strict. Its inhabitants are still afraid what lays beyond...... munch heads.

Perhaps I am viewing middle ages more in light what has happened after invention of standard measures and international unity.
Back in middle ages you'd be wearing a dress which your growth is the measure how it's tailored (an elbow was measure for its length and it was the length of your own elbow etc.) while now you have to fit into something made by standard taken from less odd masses (perhaps I'm viewing myself as an oddball against the mediocre society or masses), your inner growth was the measure of how you fit in the society, while today you have mental health standards imposed by this society's medicine which definitelly doesn't work in favor of occult society but rather in favor of soul-lacking average man. Back in middle ages you didn't have laws and law-ruled society, if you are endagering the environment others would kill you, and if you are likewise 20-21st century average man you'd have less chaces to survive than an intelligent oddball you wouldn't be living long enough to keep on margin of society and the society was less likely to deal with correctness!
Yes I see how in middle ages you could be getting hard for free views of yours or right of birth,
that is what middle ages were all about,
but go further in past and you will find the less the little man was getting the fatter were magicians and more happy was the little population of strong and smart, and the population was in reasonable number as there was no one to push us an opinion all these people who are just normal and even we see them as normal and so on... have souls at first, and have any reason to get so protected by law and whatnot. Basically, nature would eliminate most of them at free cost.

[Desecrated]

Basically, morons are benefiting from equal rights [crazy]

Yes.

[RoseRed]

Yup. It's called Civilization.

[astrolabgoz9881]

Heey RoseRed [clown]
Never seen worse barbarians than civilized people... society going downwards the stream of evolution, lunatics awaiting us on top positions...

[RoseRed]

Yeah, no shit.

The human is primarily an animal which belongs to nature which can only regulate his life, but we live in a lie the whole society of people not striving to cosmical purpose and self realization through spiritual development should have the same standards and regulations upon them, while we are getting more and more newborns each day we don't know if they are coming from unclean parts of the Universe to abuse our planet (and they are on the right path dooming us into disaster) just because we are growing the kind in the number thinking how we made this world more humane since the middle ages when free will of gifted individuals was not attacked by mass regulations.

Unclean parts of the Universe?

Where do you think people come from?

As far as the underlined part? So what? Why should anyone be forced to strive for a cosmic purpose or spiritual development. Do you honestly think that more rules and regs are what's needed?

I think you have a very romanticized and inaccurate view of the Middle Ages. Less rules? We don't do public hangings anymore. Haven't had a plague outbreak in a while - you know, the ones that kill off better than 50% of the population. The Inquisition was during the Middle Ages. Dude, really?

[astrolabgoz9881]

I think that's one more reason why society exists as is. People are idealizing it.
RoseRed, if you want to believe in the society I don't force anyone against it. I just think everyone capable of conspiring should put himself before primarily, the society. I would support The Illuminaty from the conspiracy theories and I do pay homage to Georgia Guidestones. Amen

[RoseRed]

Everyone is a whole lot of people. I wonder how many really want you thinking for them.

Me and mine, my little corner of the world - that's way more important then 'society' to me.

I didn't idealize society. I said we haven't had a massive plague outbreak or an Inquisition lately.

[astrolabgoz9881]

I didn't idealize middle ages, just sayin' i'm out of wicca speech 'burning times n sh' coz you may research a bit about pagans, masons, entertainers and jews in middle ages who are christianized, kept their ancient ways underground, influenced aristocracy and no collective misery represented a problem to those intelligent, smart, and strong people and while the rest of the world will be inavoidably wiped out by crisis, wars and terrorism of modern times they are keeping the future for themselves. What is the people who make the masses comparing to them? Just the bacwards meat masses who will suffer that inquisitions of moder times and take our energy and usurpate their strong will while they live. There is something wrong with the weak and average not with strange individuals...

[manofsands]

How different would your opinion be if you were born into the meat mass?

[astrolabgoz9881]

Much [grin]
Call me a corrupted. If you call me a corrupted psychopath - I put it in the first post - this post is in the Trollpit due to the current opinion.
Is Evil or Good right? Depends on which side you are and if you are a Eg. Spiritual Satanist, your opinion is much different, if you are an Ippisimus in O.T.O your opinion is much different. 'Meat mass' health standards call it psychopathy while there's been amazing number of amazing people against the society and taking the path of 'me, my kind and my same-minded people before anyone else' and there still is. And you can blame 'meat mass' while this word sucks but it's the same argument as 'good vs evil'...

[ShubNiggurath]

I will grant you three reincarnations.

First, a small hickup in time. You will be born in in the middleages. Thuringia. You will be the third daughter of a poor vassall in feudal structures. You will not be easy to look at und you will have a club foot.

Second, you will be a girl in pashtun Afghanistan. Taliban (btw: you want to read the history of the Taliban: who are they, where did they come from..) will prohibit education for you. You will be married when you are ten years old. Your husband will be 62.

Third, you just will be the third son of poor black people in the US. Your father will be in prison. Your mother has two jobs to sustain you. You will live in a bad neighborhood. Your school will be shit. There are no books at your home. Nobody has time to read to you. Your mother loves you but she has no time for you because she has to work so hard. People on the street can see that you are poor. Your clothes, your hair will betray you. Actually you are of normal intelligence but people will look at you and think: scum. munch head.

I hope you will enjoy your freedom.

[RoseRed]

just sayin' i'm out of wicca speech 'burning times n sh' coz you may research a bit about pagans, masons, entertainers and jews in middle ages who are christianized, kept their ancient ways underground,

I'm the one that needs to do research? Dude, that's the funniest thing I've read all day.

Oh, and I'm not Wiccan.

[astrolabgoz9881]

I will grant you three reincarnations.

First, a small hickup in time. You will be born in in the middleages. Thuringia. You will be the third daughter of a poor vassall in feudal structures. You will not be easy to look at und you will have a club foot.

Second, you will be a girl in pashtun Afghanistan. Taliban (btw: you want to read the history of the Taliban: who are they, where did they come from..) will prohibit education for you. You will be married when you are ten years old. Your husband will be 62.

Third, you just will be the third son of poor black people in the US. Your father will be in prison. Your mother has two jobs to sustain you. You will live in a bad neighborhood. Your school will be shit. There are no books at your home. Nobody has time to read to you. Your mother loves you but she has no time for you because she has to work so hard. People on the street can see that you are poor. Your clothes, your hair will betray you. Actually you are of normal intelligence but people will look at you and think: scum. munch head.

I hope you will enjoy your freedom.

I like d black guy tho. Malcolm X dude ! [pray]

But ur late, life gave me the path of a 'mountain Nigga' who survived 3 wars and an exile as an underage, the whole life has been an experience of
dissapointment, primarily in how unhappy place in
the Universe this is and humanity.
Won't go in any details!
And my spirit has never failed!
I just do believe in my set of things one is all those poor people maybe didn't feel the suffer in the same way you and I would, because not everyone has soul or whatever.
I also don't believe in reincarnation of memories.
And back to the topic. It isn't about my supremacy,
it is about how society sucks...

[astrolabgoz9881]

I'm the one that needs to do research? Dude, that's the funniest thing I've read all day.

Oh, and I'm not Wiccan.

I have already had my history classes for average minded and I base my speak on how health service, police, school system and authorities in whole are lunatics on the head of an ill society.
I used to be wiccan.

[Ramscha]

Just one question because you seem to look down on the masses and people lacking soul (whatever that means): What makes you different? What? Tell me! [lol]

[astrolabgoz9881]

Well, Ramscha after all I said here there must be something that doesn't work in the favor of identifying me with masses. Think about yourself - what makes you interested in the occult what puts you aside of Protestant majority?
Soul lacking, I said average man, modern society, authorities, overpopulating Earth humanity... people who don't have serious practice in esotericism are lacking soul. They are shells taking your energy for the full development from you. Reality made by European man is endangering the planet and doing in the favor of worthless beings striving for only material well-being and no higher purpose. They call much of the occult practice psychopathy, health service and other authorities may put you on margin and beyond. What do you owe to 'this world'? (Aren't we just the ones who this world hates when you sum it up?)

[astrolabgoz9881]

To help this Tread I ask Ramscha, How many times did you use your right to sacrifice newborns from a giving family because you are a magician?
If you answer [shock2] "no coz its illegal" I won't think anything special. [lol] [eg]

[manofsands]

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[Ramscha]

To help this Tread I ask Ramscha, How many times did you use your right to sacrifice newborns from a giving family because you are a magician?
If you answer [shock2] "no coz its illegal" I won't think anything special. [lol] [eg]

I sacrificed my unborn twin in the time before I was born when this junk of cells called flesh was developing and my junk absorbed the other. Now thanks to him I am alive.

Besides that my answer is "No, because I am able to state and pursue my wishes without ripping out another ones heart and sacrificing it to the gods." (at least physically).

Well, Ramscha after all I said here there must be something that doesn't work in the favor of identifying me with masses. Think about yourself - what makes you interested in the occult what puts you aside of Protestant majority?

First, the majority in my country is Catholic, not Protestant, just to mention. [wink] Austria is a small piece of land, but it exists.
Second, why am I interested in the occult? Because I am curious, thats it. That is what made me interested into this matter in it still is. But that is also what makes me interested in the masses, in science and how the world works. No higher spiritual goal besides curiosity. Sorry for that, buddy.

Soul lacking, I said average man, modern society, authorities, overpopulating Earth humanity... people who don't have serious practice in esotericism are lacking soul.

Why should they seek practice in esotericism? What should the masses drive to do that? What makes this field so essential for the human race?

Reality made by European man is endangering the planet and doing in the favor of worthless beings striving for only material well-being and no higher purpose.

No doubt about the planet thing. However, I wonder what determines the worth of a being. Maybe its story which it could tell?

they call much of the occult practice psychopathy, health service and other authorities may put you on margin and beyond.

They do. In former times people who were oriented on spiritual goals, fields and disciplines of esotericism ruled society. The middle ages you mentioned, they partly were such times from what we know. And also the masses suffered and people thinking in ways away from the higher goals had no easy life. Stigmatized and hunted, mocked. Just like today. So what?

What do you owe to 'this world'? (Aren't we just the ones who this world hates when you sum it up?)

What do I owe this world? Well, a life, a body, a more or less functioning mind, some friends, a purpose, a mate, this forum, a possibility to develop. Sure I have to work and keep going, same as I would have in the woods with only the birds as my neighbours.

Finally, to sum it up. You are struggeling with keeping the own identity and looking down on the flesh mass because of aim for food, sex and stability instead of persuing some higher idealized goals and spiritual development? To keep you from slipping back? Is the spiritual development the measure? Was this the message or was it only my mistaken impression?

Looking forward to your response, I honestly enjoy the discussion. [happy2]