Selling your soul or your first borns soul

[Mania_sedah]

I'm a college student with a major in world religion. I would like to know the process and techniques of selling ones soul or their first born. This is important.

[SerafinTronu]

I would like to know the process and techniques of selling ones soul or their first born. This is important.

i do not know if i understand properly what you are saying. I will say how i underestand it.

I will not tell you about the technique to sell your own soul or someone else's.

You can sell your own soul because this soul is yourse, and does not belong to someone else. You can sell it because soul is youres.

You can not sell soul of first born because his or her soul does not belong to you. You can not sell someone soul because this soul do not belong to you. even if it is your child, it does not change the fact that his soul belongs to him, not to you.

your child has a soul, the soul of the child belongs to the child not to you, father, mother. child decides what to do with own soul, not you.

to sell youre soll you need: consciousness, free will to sell youre soul.

from what I know, from what I've heard those who sell their souls are not respected.

[Kami]

A lot of christians and muslims or anyone who believes in the political God in general, believes that our soul isn't ours and that it belongs to the political God.

But I beg to differ.

It's ours like you said: "You can sell your own soul because this soul is yourse, and does not belong to someone else. You can sell it because soul is youres."

[chowderpope]

Most of us here have made pacts with demons and already ran out of things to offer so we sold our souls and are indebted now to demons. The process of selling your soul is simple. Go into the woods on a full moon night, strip naked, cover yourself in human blood (menstrual blood works fine), repeat a chant as you spin in a circle until you become exhausted. When you are so exhausted you are going to puke, fall to the ground and lay there totally still. You cannot move, even if you have to urinate, you must urinate on yourself. Wait until you hear/see a sign from the demon and then you can communicate with it. Offer it your soul, in exchange for supernatural power, and if they accept, that's it. It's that simple. For example now I'm able to curse people by gazing at them, I can cause misfortune in people's lives with a mere look. And I'm also able to read thoughts of strangers.

Anyway, hope this helps with your homework.

[the_spiral]

Most of us here have made pacts with demons and already ran out of things to offer so we sold our souls and are indebted now to demons.

Uhh...what?

[Kami]

Ay, is it true that Satanists baptize themselves in a tub full of urine?
My Christian cousin said that he heard that in prison.

He also stated what he believes they're like:

If you double cross them in anyway or mistreat them - they will destroy you in ways you cannot imagine, but the bright side is if you're nice and respectful to them being careful with your tone of voice and word of choice - they're the most respectful and kind people.

I'm just curious. ~

lol.

[Desecrated]

I'm a college student with a major in world religion. I would like to know the process and techniques of selling ones soul or their first born. This is important.

I'm sorry, my fellow forum members are having a laugh at you. Pay no attention to them.

As far as I know there are no "real" rituals for selling your children souls, this is an element in folklore but not necessary in magic.
Selling your own soul is a similar territory. It makes for a good literary story but is quite hard to do in real life. There are some examples of this in folk magic, however in modern magic this is not practiced. There is no serious book written about this subject and there is no consensus on an "a-b-c" method of doing it either.

[Kami]

I'm a college student with a major in world religion. I would like to know the process and techniques of selling ones soul or their first born. This is important.

I'm sorry, my fellow forum members are having a laugh at you. Pay no attention to them.

As far as I know there are no "real" rituals for selling your children souls, this is an element in folklore but not necessary in magic.
Selling your own soul is a similar territory. It makes for a good literary story but is quite hard to do in real life. There are some examples of this in folk magic, however in modern magic this is not practiced. There is no serious book written about this subject and there is no consensus on an "a-b-c" method of doing it either.

I'm not...

[Kami]

As far as I know there are no "real" rituals for selling your children souls, this is an element in folklore but not necessary in magic.

I agree.

And if it was possible - a lot of people would hate their parents...

[antsubut]

As far as I know there are no "real" rituals for selling your children souls, this is an element in folklore but not necessary in magic.

I agree.

And if it was possible - a lot of people would hate their parents...

The unfortunate children have to be alive to hate their parents. [eg]

[Desecrated]

Ay, is it true that Satanists baptize themselves in a tub full of urine?
My Christian cousin said that he heard that in prison.

He also stated what he believes they're like:

If you double cross them in anyway or mistreat them - they will destroy you in ways you cannot imagine, but the bright side is if you're nice and respectful to them being careful with your tone of voice and word of choice - they're the most respectful and kind people.

I'm just curious. ~

lol.

No
"My christian cousin in jail" Seriously. Get better sources.
And no.

[Kami]

Ay, is it true that Satanists baptize themselves in a tub full of urine?
My Christian cousin said that he heard that in prison.

He also stated what he believes they're like:

If you double cross them in anyway or mistreat them - they will destroy you in ways you cannot imagine, but the bright side is if you're nice and respectful to them being careful with your tone of voice and word of choice - they're the most respectful and kind people.

I'm just curious. ~

lol.

No
"My christian cousin in jail" Seriously. Get better sources.
And no.

Lol oh Des...

He bought it up randomly in our conversation.

I didn't go to him for that information.

I thought I'd ask here if it was true or not.

Thank you for your answer. ~

c:

[SerafinTronu]

Most of us here have made pacts with demons and already ran out of things to offer so we sold our souls and are indebted now to demons.

It is not true.

Working with demons or with The Fallen Angels, talking with them, represing them, evocation them, does not mean that our soul is sold.

You can not sell your soul unconsciously, it has to be a conscious action, it must be expressed a conscious decision before the demon or the Fallen Angel. Their calling is not the will to sell your soul.

usually you wish something from them: money, love or work, etc.

and usually you should thank them for their work,

it is often alcohol (wine, beer, whiskey, etc.), fruits, I met with a promise to tell the forum about them a good word etc.,

what you give for their work is what you want to offer, or you can, so you can give them a soul, but you do not have to do this, if you do not want them to give something you do not promise that.

I do not see anything funny in the subject of the sale of his own soul.

[the_spiral]

I do not see anything funny in the subject of the sale of his own soul.

It's funny how widespread this silly belief is. If you have to "sell your soul" to work with a spirit, you got suckered. Most of them will work for much less and don't have much use for human souls anyway [wink]

[Desecrated]

I do not see anything funny in the subject of the sale of his own soul.

It's funny how widespread this silly belief is. If you have to "sell your soul" to work with a spirit, you got suckered. Most of them will work for much less and don't have much use for human souls anyway [wink]

It's cool to "sell your soul" when you are 14 and want to rebel against your christian parents.

Also, people need to stop watching horromovies and go to the library.

[Kath]

The whole concept is dumb.
It's not like your soul has an official Deed attached to it.

The only way you can sell your soul, is by subverting your 'true self' to further the will of some outside force, until there is nothing left of your true self. This normally would take years, and when you've effectively committed "identity seppuku" you could argue that you've managed to 'sell your soul' for all intents and purposes.

Normally this only happens in zealous expansionist religions, particularly monotheistic ones. Which, moreso than most paradigm viruses, go out of their way to avoid acknowledging free thought or dissension.

I suppose you could sell the soul of your children easily enough by exposing them to overt indoctrination growing up, thus limiting their growth as sentient beings able to form their own opinions.

[RockShan]

I don't have much experience in "Magick", but years in other energy types (Psionics), and I can say, it is "impossible" to sell you're soul or others, and especially others soul's.

[RockShan]

I don't have much experience in "Magick", but years in other energy types (Psionics), and I can say, it is "impossible" to sell you're soul or others, and especially others soul's.

[Daud]

I agree with RockShan that it is essentially impossible to sell your 'soul', the soul being your mental continuum. Not sure if it is literally, "selling your soul" or if it is simply entering into a karmic contract with some powerful being that will enable it to have control over you for some amount of subsequent rebirths. The judeo-christian perspective of one life determining your eternal afterlife is likely responsible for the confusion.

I do know for a fact, however, that you can trade your potential rebirth for a inferior one, and reap the potential karmic benefits in this life. Demons and malign Gods can make such a deal with practitioners. I know this because someone dear to me engaged in such a contract.

[RockShan]

I should expand onto my original reply, you can't sell you're soul, but you can make "pacts" with others, spirits, or Gods.. To essentially "give them" a portion of whatever abilities you have, or bind yourself to them. among other similar things regarding the soul. but all of these can be broken easily without consequences usually, unless you're dealing with a strong binding, or strong spirit.

[Daud]

I should expand onto my original reply, you can't sell you're soul, but you can make "pacts" with others, spirits, or Gods.. To essentially "give them" a portion of whatever abilities you have, or bind yourself to them. among other similar things regarding the soul. but all of these can be broken easily without consequences usually, unless you're dealing with a strong binding, or strong spirit.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Pacts can most definitely can be broken, and spirits usually convince novice practitioners that they are unbreakable as a form of manipulation. Until the life is finished, you are master of your own fate, always. It is never too late to change.

[Robin_Alexander]

Couldn't have put it better myself. Pacts can most definitely can be broken, and spirits usually convince novice practitioners that they are unbreakable as a form of manipulation. Until the life is finished, you are master of your own fate, always. It is never too late to change.

This interests me, as I haven't come across this before . . .

The very idea of 'selling' a soul to be impossible, true, but I kind of inferred - from what you said - this only applies in life? Example, one could break a pact in life, and not risk losing their soul, as the soul is theirs (with the spirit merely trying to convince the practitioner otherwise) . . . but what about in death? If a person agrees to give a spirit service or some sort of skill, keeping their pact or even benefiting from it in life, what would happen - upon death - should they not have broken that same pact?

This is just out of curiosity, as I try to consider myself a person of my word, so I wouldn't break any pacts I may or mayn't have, but - theoretically - if one died and became a spirit of whatever strength . . . would the spirit you initially made a pact with have any absolute power or control over one's 'soul', being that the pact would still technically be in effect, having never been broken?

(Hoping that makes sense)

[voltaire237]

cover yourself in human blood (menstrual blood works fine)

That might attract bears...


As for OP:

The idea and archetype of "selling one's soul" i believe comes from german legend.
Have your read Marlowe's 'Faust'?
That might be a good place for one to start.

Also maybe J.K.Rowling's "Dementors"?

you can also be "tricked" out of your soul using fear guilt and shame
although this still requires an element of will on your part

as for selling your soul: when you die, you reincarnate as a new lifeform
Those who have "sold their soul" do not get this luxury, and have to spend the rest of their incarnations in a dark void;
eternity's a long time, i hope you're only researching this for a play or book...