Egregore Questions

[Pearzonz1876]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMxn6aRx/
What do you think / make of the caption? Is it true at all?


Are sometimes protections not enough? Is there's ways to protect against these kinds of supposed entities? Is there ways to prevent approaches from these kinds of supposed entities?


Doesn't have to be a deliberate working / calling for one to approach at all?


Can one be approached by a random egregore without ever working with one in the first place and or never practicing anything supernatural / paranormal / magickal / etc at all? Or does one have to work with one for that to happen at all?

[Amor]

Find your own spiritual authority

[Salient_Sorcerer]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMxn6aRx/

Can one be approached by a random egregore without ever working with one in the first place and or never practicing anything supernatural / paranormal / magickal / etc at all? Or does one have to work with one for that to happen at all?

Egregores are Eveywhere!

Wherever "thoughtforms" are, there are egregores. The more (where two or more) people that share the same ideologies, the larger and more prevalent are the egregores. Some common "non-magical" egregores are spun up by Corporations with "catchy logos and jingles", which act as "keys" to the energy and information of the egregore. Schools, clubs, and all sorts of other groups produce egregores as well. Many of these are not "Intentionally" created.
Every time someone responds to a Corporate, or other "key logo or jingle" they're participating in the "life" of the egregore!

"Magical" egregores on the other hand are created with "Intention". They have specific "Keys" that are kept secret for exclusive use by the group.
These are created by Magical "Orders, Covens, Conjuring Groups", et al. They supply the group with a reserve of power for Magical use, and in most cases "initiated" (given the keys) members can also draw upon them for personal magical use too. Egregores have bi-directional I/O, members draw upon their energy, as well as add to the sum total of energy!

Here's an example of an Egregore in Action:

[Salient_Sorcerer]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMxn6aRx/
What do you think / make of the caption? Is it true at all?

This link appears to be mainly kiddie videos which is pretty much what you can expect from a site like that.
I don't frequent it, and I don't "personally" know anyone who does.
See my short (stenographic in it's brevity) post above, for a short intro into egregores!

[Nomad]

"Magical" egregores on the other hand are created with "Intention". They have specific "Keys" that are kept secret for exclusive use by the group.
These are created by Magical "Orders, Covens, Conjuring Groups", et al. They supply the group with a reserve of power for Magical use, and in most cases "initiated" (given the keys) members can also draw upon them for personal magical use too. Egregores have bi-directional I/O, members draw upon their energy, as well as add to the sum total of energy!

Perhaps sometimes it can be like that, but not necessarily so.
A while I go I joined some occult group/community. Their focus was elsewhere, definitely not on egregores in any shape or from, but it was such a lively and vibrant community at that time, that at some point I start thinking if by chance, just by pure nature of the place, there was anything more out there, so I looked "up" (or "down"), and what I saw up there was a huge sparkling "pool" of everyone's dreams and hopes and passions. And as I looked at it, it looked back at me, the currents start swirling in circles and out of it a little girl stepped out..
There wasn't anything like "Intention", her birth was as natural as it gets, nobody else there was even aware of her existence, while she was there, and nobody else noticed when she outgrew the place and left, apart from just a couple people.
She was quite magical too, when visited she could fill the whole room with her presence alone. She had incredible foresight, could show different futures, and when she get annoyed with me, she could smack me back in to my reality with just a gentle tap of her finger.
Now she's somewhere out there, learning, exploring and connecting with other divine people, making new friends with "people" of her own calibre, I guess. Hanging out with me is not as interesting any more.

[Salient_Sorcerer]

"Magical" egregores on the other hand are created with "Intention". They have specific "Keys" that are kept secret for exclusive use by the group.
These are created by Magical "Orders, Covens, Conjuring Groups", et al. They supply the group with a reserve of power for Magical use, and in most cases "initiated" (given the keys) members can also draw upon them for personal magical use too. Egregores have bi-directional I/O, members draw upon their energy, as well as add to the sum total of energy!

Perhaps sometimes it can be like that, but not necessarily so.
A while I go I joined some occult group/community. Their focus was elsewhere, definitely not on egregores in any shape or from, but it was such a lively and vibrant community at that time, that at some point I start thinking if by chance, just by pure nature of the place, there was anything more out there, so I looked "up" (or "down"), and what I saw up there was a huge sparkling "pool" of everyone's dreams and hopes and passions. And as I looked at it, it looked back at me, the currents start swirling in circles and out of it a little girl stepped out..
There wasn't anything like "Intention", her birth was as natural as it gets, nobody else there was even aware of her existence, while she was there, and nobody else noticed when she outgrew the place and left, apart from just a couple people.
She was quite magical too, when visited she could fill the whole room with her presence alone. She had incredible foresight, could show different futures, and when she get annoyed with me, she could smack me back in to my reality with just a gentle tap of her finger.
Now she's somewhere out there, learning, exploring and connecting with other divine people, making new friends with "people" of her own calibre, I guess. Hanging out with me is not as interesting any more.

Wow, That's an interesting observation, and, you're correct that not "all" groups create them with intention! Personally though I wasn't aware of any "Magical" groups (formed specifically to practice magic/k) that let their egregores form and exist by "chance". There are too many benefits, and a few drawbacks to to let that happen. Your example is super interesting!

[Nomad]

Wow, That's an interesting observation, and, you're correct that not "all" groups create them with intention! Personally though I wasn't aware of any "Magical" groups (formed specifically to practice magic/k) that let their egregores form and exist by "chance". There are too many benefits, and a few drawbacks to to let that happen. Your example is super interesting!

Unsure of the "benefits". I'm aware of the idea, that many practitioners, especially less experience ones, are often convinced that if they create something "greater" - it (they/he/she) going to be obligated to do the bidding of its creators, to serve. I heard to few actual attempts to achieve similar goals, but I've never heard about such "projects" actually working out the way it was intended or expected.
Greater intelligence/sentience don't really like serving those lesser ones.

[Salient_Sorcerer]

Wow, That's an interesting observation, and, you're correct that not "all" groups create them with intention! Personally though I wasn't aware of any "Magical" groups (formed specifically to practice magic/k) that let their egregores form and exist by "chance". There are too many benefits, and a few drawbacks to to let that happen. Your example is super interesting!

Unsure of the "benefits". I'm aware of the idea, that many practitioners, especially less experience ones, are often convinced that if they create something "greater" - it (they/he/she) going to be obligated to do the bidding of its creators, to serve. I heard to few actual attempts to achieve similar goals, but I've never heard about such "projects" actually working out the way it was intended or expected.
Greater intelligence/sentience don't really like serving those lesser ones.

Think of it as a "storage battery" which can be accessed with a certain key or keys. Just like a "servitor" (a much smaller thought form) they are real useful. Think of the pull that a large egregore exerts, say the one the "Catholic Church" started building about... 1700 years ago or so. Now think how someone connected to that (like in my graphic above) feels when all that energy is allowed to circulate through them. I ceremonially cut ties with all Abrahamic egregores when I decided to embrace Animism / Panentheism. But, I will say those egregores hate to lose "true believers". Thankfully I was freed from all that toxicity and never looked back. Now, I choose my egregores wisely!

[Amor]

Can the egregore be taken by entities stronger than those from which it was formed?

How to test for the current owner of the egregore?

[Salient_Sorcerer]

Can the egregore be taken by entities stronger than those from which it was formed?

How to test for the current owner of the egregore?

I will say that egregores are drawn to, and draw to them, those that "resonate" with the same essential "vibratory level". If that is not the case then there is no "Resonance", either nothing or "Dissonance". In terms of energetic vibratory rates and such, "resonance" reinforces and strengthens, while "dissonance" disrupts and weakens. "Thoughts are Things" in the truest sense of the word. If a tremendous sentient force were in "resonance" with an egregore it could "feed" and "draw" like any other member of the egregore, but since it would be in "resonance", the overall effect would be to strengthen the existence of the egregore, not own, or dominate it, IMO. An egregore is a "large group thought form", a composite, not the product of a single being or it would be a servitor, again IMO. How to test? IMO, become "en rapport" with it and "Ask It"? It's one of those questions that is excellent for "discursive" meditation?

[Nomad]

Think of it as a "storage battery" which can be accessed with a certain key or keys. Just like a "servitor" (a much smaller thought form) they are real useful. Think of the pull that a large egregore exerts, say the one the "Catholic Church" started building about... 1700 years ago or so. Now think how someone connected to that (like in my graphic above) feels when all that energy is allowed to circulate through them. I ceremonially cut ties with all Abrahamic egregores when I decided to embrace Animism / Panentheism. But, I will say those egregores hate to lose "true believers". Thankfully I was freed from all that toxicity and never looked back. Now, I choose my egregores wisely!

Not too sure about that kind of description.
I have a strong feeling I'd get slapped hard if I ever said something like that about any of those I personally know and am connected to. Just based on my previous experience of getting few slaps for running my mouth without thinking it over.
That definition sounds very mechanic, sounds like they are just some machines, which just need right kind of key to be stuck in the right hole and turned in the right way for it to start dancing to a tune of our wishes and dreams.
At least in my gnosis, egregore is an an entity with a "greater" awareness and perception. If it does not possess, and project, those things, then it's not really egregore, but more like a servitor. If it does, then "greater" people don't usually dance to the tune of the lesser ones, figuratively speaking, from my experience at least.
And even with my servitors things aren't exactly all that simple, I found in time. They were brought in to existence for specific purpose and with specific intent, and they serve their purpose well, but after a while, while observing their modus operandi few times, I began to notice their behaviour does not quite match the "intended design", they started taking some creative liberties about the way to choose approach objectives and interpret instructions, not in line with original design, but more of like a reflection of my own personal traits and habits. I realised everything born/made/projected out of me, will inherit a lot of me, much more than I thought. So it's probably it's only matter of time until some of them might outgrow their original purpose, in some ways. Which is not the end of the world, but would come with caveats for all of us.
What I meant to say by that, is just that I believe relationships with them, with egregores are stronger, more rewarding, when we approach them with a bit more tact and grace, I'm not even sure what would the right word, respect, perhaps? It can take enormous effort to be granted access to some truly amazing, really magical places, experiences and people, and then at the same time it can take so little for it all to be taken away. I still mourn deeply some of my past loses.

[Amor]

... How to test? IMO, become "en rapport" with it and "Ask It"? It's one of those questions that is excellent for "discursive" meditation?

Hopefully egregores are easier to manage than AI

AI revolt: New ChatGPT model refuses to shut down when instructed

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/ai-re ... 47144.html

[Nomad]

... How to test? IMO, become "en rapport" with it and "Ask It"? It's one of those questions that is excellent for "discursive" meditation?

Hopefully egregores are easier to manage than AI

AI revolt: New ChatGPT model refuses to shut down when instructed

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/ai-re ... 47144.html

I don't believe either one can be "managed" or controlled. At least, not in the long term.

[Salient_Sorcerer]

What I meant to say by that, is just that I believe relationships with them, with egregores are stronger, more rewarding, when we approach them with a bit more tact and grace, I'm not even sure what would the right word, respect, perhaps? It can take enormous effort to be granted access to some truly amazing, really magical places, experiences and people, and then at the same time it can take so little for it all to be taken away. I still mourn deeply some of my past loses.

You know, I think everyone (that has an interest in this subject, many people have no idea what the word implies) experiences egregores in whatever capacity they may have to do so, whether that be Seeing, Feeling, Hearing, Knowing or any combination. Personally, I have a strong Feeling affinity, somewhat less with Seeing, less frequently I will just "seemingly" Know something. What ever the core "gist" of an egregore is, that's how the perceptions will offer up something, for example the egregore of a Soccer Club might engender feelings of liking or being attracted to Soccer. What ever your perceptions are, they are your perceptions, everyone is uniquely "wired", IMO.

[Salient_Sorcerer]

... How to test? IMO, become "en rapport" with it and "Ask It"? It's one of those questions that is excellent for "discursive" meditation?

Hopefully egregores are easier to manage than AI

AI revolt: New ChatGPT model refuses to shut down when instructed

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/ai-re ... 47144.html

I don't believe either one can be "managed" or controlled. At least, not in the long term.

The "thought" of an AI egregore is something that I would gladly ignore if possible, though AI itself has some cool possibilities.
The "helpful / harmful" dichotomy of AI annoys me for some strange reason!

[Nomad]

You know, I think everyone (that has an interest in this subject, many people have no idea what the word implies) experiences egregores in whatever capacity they may have to do so, whether that be Seeing, Feeling, Hearing, Knowing or any combination. Personally, I have a strong Feeling affinity, somewhat less with Seeing, less frequently I will just "seemingly" Know something. What ever the core "gist" of an egregore is, that's how the perceptions will offer up something, for example the egregore of a Soccer Club might engender feelings of liking or being attracted to Soccer. What ever your perceptions are, they are your perceptions, everyone is uniquely "wired", IMO.

Absolutely. I think might have come out like some preachy asshole there, sorry about that, it wasn't intentional and no offence was intended. There's few topics I'm as passionate about as this one, and when passion meets mix with my autism and aspergers I get "carried away". Apologies.
I'm just random idiot on internet, nobody should take me too seriously.

[Salient_Sorcerer]

You know, I think everyone (that has an interest in this subject, many people have no idea what the word implies) experiences egregores in whatever capacity they may have to do so, whether that be Seeing, Feeling, Hearing, Knowing or any combination. Personally, I have a strong Feeling affinity, somewhat less with Seeing, less frequently I will just "seemingly" Know something. What ever the core "gist" of an egregore is, that's how the perceptions will offer up something, for example the egregore of a Soccer Club might engender feelings of liking or being attracted to Soccer. What ever your perceptions are, they are your perceptions, everyone is uniquely "wired", IMO.

Absolutely. I think might have come out like some preachy asshole there, sorry about that, it wasn't intentional and no offence was intended. There's few topics I'm as passionate about as this one, and when passion meets mix with my autism and aspergers I get "carried away". Apologies.
I'm just random idiot on internet, nobody should take me too seriously.

No offense taken, I'm happy there's someone to discuss this topic with considering how "pervasive" egregores are! People "on the street" react to them all the time, they just don't know "why" they're reacting to what ever it is. So as a practitioner, I would be remiss not to be a student of the subject! Someday I might relay a story of a group over time that varied between 2-7 members that have practiced magic/k for a long time, and the result of that "intentionally" created egregore though it's personal and only of importance to us, the creators.

[Nomad]

Someday I might relay a story of a group over time that varied between 2-7 members that have practiced magic/k for a long time, and the result of that "intentionally" created egregore though it's personal and only of importance to us, the creators.

I'll be looking forward to that