What is happening to occult groups?

[borealis]

Depends where you go to some extent. Most of the online occult group activity is on Facebook and Discord now; active forums are becoming increasingly rare. Also newer paradigms like chaos magick I think are becoming more active while older paradigms are losing interest.

I am maintaining this place because I felt it's important for forums as a mode of community to not die out completely. However, I also realize it's a bit of an uphill battle.

[Ada]

Thank you for the detailed explanation, Amor.

>Thus the enlightened human is expected to propagate aspects of Divine Intent.<

But if an enlightened human would understand Divine Intent, would it not be that grave that he had to keep it a secret? People might have their ideas of the Divine but the truth could be more shocking. Just an idea of me. I expect the enlightened human wouldnt tell anything about Divine Intent.

>The galactic Logos, like our solar Logos, is learning right relationship and thus referred to by humans as a god of love.<

I didnt expect that. I mean I know what you are referring to but I didnt expect someone would call it "learning right relationship". But still thank you for sharing your view. Its quite exciting. ^^

>Giving up before starting is not necessarily an efficient process in spiritual science.<

Probably cant convince anyone with spiritual science. Thats why I think everyone has to find that connection him- or herself.

>Omniscience may not be required for an experiment. Learning can be accelerated by experiment.<

Sure. But isnt it shaky to try experiments, which wont work the same depending on the one trying them? So if the result differs, there is not really proof of what can be learned out of it, can it?

>There are many non-humans that are players in this solar system. Not all support the Divine Intent for this planet.<

You know, even I wouldnt support the Divine Intent for this planet. And I am not a non-human. But since I havent a say in this anyway, I just enjoy the view, I guess.

>This planet generates interest well beyond our cluster of universes.<

Why do you think this is the case? Whats your opinion to this?

>Look for the energy lines from outside this universe.

Which lines carry Intent?

Put yourself next to such a line. What happens?<

Counter question. What happens to you if you do that?

If I do that, I sure draw attention to myself. Which I would rather not. I try to stay inconspicuous. ^^

[Ada]

Depends where you go to some extent. Most of the online occult group activity is on Facebook and Discord now; active forums are becoming increasingly rare. Also newer paradigms like chaos magick I think are becoming more active while older paradigms are losing interest.

I am maintaining this place because I felt it's important for forums as a mode of community to not die out completely. However, I also realize it's a bit of an uphill battle.

You are absolutely right. I make this observation too. Do people in this media even take it seriously? This is a serious question that I ask myself.

Well, a great thanks to you that you do, borealis! Another community, that I was part of, met its end a few weeks ago. The admin just didn't feel like it anymore. So I really respect it, that you fight so hard to at least keep this community alive.

It's as if people have been overcome by a listlessness like I've never experienced before.

[WildWolf]

Yeah, social media is oriented towards a kind of "fast food information".....but when it comes to occult studies.....its very difficult to pack complex thoughts into a small post....thus forums and blogs are a much better platform. That being said, i don't think it needs to be an either/or situation. We can have a forum with long threads, where deep ideas are explored and also a bite size format (of some sort).

Perhaps the forum may also somehow find a way to appeal to both. As for Occult Groups, i think occult study courses are quite an important space now. Groups like Strategic Sorcery and Rune Soup have strong community engagement from noobs and skilled practitioners.....i learned a lot and enjoyed my time in these communities.

Some occult groups can be laden with drama and stupidity.....i think it depends on the current of magick and leadership. Where things go from here.....perhaps having Occult Groups that are largely decentralized, but also meet up for a festival, party or conference once a year would be cool.

[Amor]

... Measuring zones by fields measured by 81 scales and time sand glasses ...

Is there an account of how to do that?

[Amor]

So I am sitting down, eyes closed, back straight. What is the next step?

[borealis]

So, while I initially said nothing about this in an attempt to maintain my neutrality as an administrator and to not give the appearance of a preference towards any other group or particular paradigm, my feelings about the usefulness of that have changed a little, so maybe this is a good place and time to disclose that I am also the website administrator for DKMU.org, and an admin of their Discord, which is a very large, active, and helpful place full of many skilled practitioners, and which has played a huge role in my magical development over the past several years. (Your previous admin here was also the previous admin of DKMU.org.)

DKMU is a non-hierarchical magical research and development collective with an emphasis on Chaos Magic, but comprising practitioners of many different schools and specializations, as well as non-practicing interested persons. Participation is free and without expectation, and anyone who participates is a member. Members of this loosely organized collective network with each other, share notes and progress, seek advice, have friendly conversations, plan group work, and perform R&D to discover and elaborate new ways of doing magic, and push the boundaries of what is possible. Beyond that, there are some goals which are common, but none shared by all. Though an artificial hierarchy exists solely for the moderation team, it does not reflect the amount of sway over the group's direction that each person has, as each member is free to suggest or lead group activities or offshoot working groups, or participate in whatever they do or do not want to based on their own choices.

I am glad to be managing an active forum and helping to keep forums alive as a mode of community, but chats are useful in different ways. I tried and failed to start up a Discord server for this community a while ago, so since people are looking for other active communities to participate in, I felt maybe I ought to bring up this other Discord that I help manage. (DKMU also had a Forum, but that is basically dead now.)

[WildWolf]

So, while I initially said nothing about this in an attempt to maintain my neutrality as an administrator and to not give the appearance of a preference towards any other group or particular paradigm, my feelings about the usefulness of that have changed a little, so maybe this is a good place and time to disclose that I am also the website administrator for DKMU.org, and an admin of their Discord, which is a very large, active, and helpful place full of many skilled practitioners, and which has played a huge role in my magical development over the past several years. (Your previous admin here was also the previous admin of DKMU.org.)

DKMU is a non-hierarchical magical research and development collective with an emphasis on Chaos Magic, but comprising practitioners of many different schools and specializations, as well as non-practicing interested persons. Participation is free and without expectation, and anyone who participates is a member. Members of this loosely organized collective network with each other, share notes and progress, seek advice, have friendly conversations, plan group work, and perform R&D to discover and elaborate new ways of doing magic, and push the boundaries of what is possible. Beyond that, there are some goals which are common, but none shared by all. Though an artificial hierarchy exists solely for the moderation team, it does not reflect the amount of sway over the group's direction that each person has, as each member is free to suggest or lead group activities or offshoot working groups, or participate in whatever they do or do not want to based on their own choices.

I am glad to be managing an active forum and helping to keep forums alive as a mode of community, but chats are useful in different ways. I tried and failed to start up a Discord server for this community a while ago, so since people are looking for other active communities to participate in, I felt maybe I ought to bring up this other Discord that I help manage. (DKMU also had a Forum, but that is basically dead now.)

I found DKMU a couple times when i was searching for occult forums. Looks interesting, it surprises me sometimes, that there aren't more Coyotes wandering around on the forum, i guess there all secluded on discord.

Perhaps there is a potential for some kind of communal synergy between DKMU and OF.

[Cerber]

If I remember correctly, back in the olden days DKMU and OF were hosted together one the same machine, and sometimes some traveler looking for OF could accidentally end up on DKMU instead, due some arcs and sparks between the wires. One of the little mysteries.

[Caerdon]

A bit late to this discussion, but from my most recent personal experiences.

People... Aren't interested in learning things properly. I've tried to teach people, tried to give proper information, but people's interest just vanish as soon as they realize that a) im very much in favor of having people build on foundations which takes time to build, and B) you need to put in a lot of effort and interpret theory before even getting started on practicing.

People nowadays who are new want something flashy, easy, and basically instant. They want an instant solution to whatever problems they have. They don't want to learn the mechanics to how things work, they just want an instruction manual and plug and play it. But unfortunately, because that's not how it works, they decide to just...not stick with it.

When I first started to enter various communities, it was full of people who where knowledgeable, who wanted to explore and learn and figure out new methods, figure out what makes the current methods work, and try to make things more accessible to others. It was actually during that time that I found this forum, which I was a very active member.

Now though... I don't find too many people interested in doing things like that. Either they are interested in "legacies" and don't care about anything that is outside of them, or they jump on and expect instant results and someone to hand them all the answers and just whatever else they have in their minds for how things work.

[Amor]

>When I first started to enter various communities, it was full of people who were knowledgeable, who wanted to explore and learn and figure out new methods, figure out what makes the current methods work

You do not say how long ago that was - but I remember the same

And it changed in December 1978.

You may recall in 1975 NYC was effectively bankrupt. As perhaps the globally dominant city, this was a real concern. Fortunately there were already many experiments in alternative living in case cities proved not viable.

So the best humans were moved into those parallel experiments. I lived in one such.

But by Dec 78 it had become clear that western cities were going to be viable and the best humans were redirected to the cities. (In Search of Excellence was an important initiative)

So suddenly the community I was in, was receiving second rate humans. The abrupt change was very obvious - so 2 years later I moved back to city life.

Nowadays city life in Europe and the US is being greatly degraded by the inflow of millions that have no loyalty to the local culture. This has the benefit of focusing the attention of the original residents upon what is valuable in their cultures.

The spiritual processes of surface Earth humans are now changing. The individual approach appropriate to the age of Pisceans is now out-moded and the age of Aquarius brings in group unfoldment.

The nonsense of the various covids (19 etc) has shown many that isolation and central control are not the way forward.

So the next step is the breakup of large centralized governments and managements and the revival of coherent, activated smaller groups. Both EU and US are learning that.

Smaller coherent groups can practice right relationship - and that is central to galactic processes. Spiritual development then follows naturally within the gestalts

[Caerdon]

This was about 10 or so years ago? Before this site went down and became inaccessible for a long while. There were a lot of communities out there that you could easily join and talk with people and they where all of a similar mindset when it came to the occult. Then it seems in a very short period of time (a few months at most) the sites all started going down for various reasons and everyone either just vanished, or got tired of how people started to behave.

[Amor]

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Giving up before starting is not necessarily an efficient process in spiritual science.
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This planet generates interest well beyond our cluster of universes.

Look for the energy lines from outside this universe.

Which lines carry Intent?

Put yourself next to such a line. What happens?

A year has gone by with no experimental reports.

What should I conclude?

[Amor]

...

Giving up before starting is not necessarily an efficient process in spiritual science.
...

This planet generates interest well beyond our cluster of universes.

Look for the energy lines from outside this universe.

Which lines carry Intent?

Put yourself next to such a line. What happens?

A year has gone by with no experimental reports.

Step outside this universe.

Then step outside this cluster of universes.

Look for energy lines from On High that enter our universe and anchor in this solar system.

What are the lines doing?