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The Enlightenment Machine

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:57 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Son of a Montage

I take back everything I said in my book and in this web page about the Zen process being long and difficult, requiring years of practice and a will to face the truth no matter how hard you may want to resist. A guy named Ranju Roy kindly sent me a copy of Andrew Cohen's magazine What Is Enlightenment? so I could check out their review of my book (they thought it sucked ass). And while leafing through the rag and chuckling over the dialogue between Andy and his pal Ken Wilber (that is supposed to be comedy, right?) I came across an ad headlined "How to Meditate Deeper Than a Zen Monk!"

According to the ad, a powerful new audio technology called Holosync® will allow you to reach the same rarified state of enlightened uber-consciousness as the great Zen monks of old in minutes. It's based, they say, "in part on Nobel Prize winning research on how complex systems - human beings, for instance - evolve to higher levels of functioning." Wow. Nobel Prize winning research! Complex systems! Higher levels of functioning! But wait! There's more! "A precise combination of audio signals gives the brain a very specific stimulus that creates states of deep meditation." And here I've wasted decades staring at blank walls for hours on end when all I had to do was slap on a pair of headphones and "achieve super deep meditation at the touch of a button!" There's even an 800 number you can call to receive the tape for free (a $19.95 value!).

Yeah, well, if you haven't worked out I'm being sarcastic and you're the type to fall for that kind of pitch you're definitely reading the wrong web page. There is no Enlightenment Machine. Never has been and never will be. It's a real shame people believe this kind of stuff. But they do. It's easy to see how this sort of thinking works. Technology can be a wonderful thing. Look at all the stuff science has given us. Lap top computers, iPods, Wankel rotary engines. Technology has improved so many aspects of our lives it doesn't take much to suppose that technology may one day enhance meditation to the point where we can find Enlightenment at the touch of a button.

But this idea makes assumptions about technology and about meditation that simply are not true. Technology works like this. You got a problem. Say, you want to listen to music while you ride the train to work. But you're never sure just what you're gonna want to hear any given morning and you don't want to carry your whole CD collection around with you everywhere you go. So you develop a portable hard disc capable of storing a couple hundred CDs worth of music on it and voila! iPod! All your troubles solved!

To come up with any technical solution you look at a problem, you think about it a lot, you manipulate lots of symbols around in your head, you test your symbolic logic against the hard facts of the real world, and you come up with an invention that fixes what was bothering you. It's a very good way to deal with things.

But meditation comes from a completely different place. It's not about thought at all. All machines, no matter what they do, are human thought solidified. Meditation is about seeing past the limitations of thought, going to places thought cannot possibly reach.

Now the idea of going beyond all thought may sound exotic. But that's only because we tend to place way too much faith in thought. Thought really doesn't go very far. It's nothing more than electrical impulses bouncing around in that three pound lump of meat you carry around in your head. Nothing more. The place beyond all thought is right here. Nothing the least bit exotic about it at all. Thought can never hope to capture what is right in front of you and within you right this very moment.

A machine can only ever operate within the limits that thought has set for it. Say, for instance, you're not sold on the Holosync® thing but maybe you think that using bio-feedback might be a good way to enhance your Zen practice. Maybe you've decided that Zen meditation is all about increasing your theta brain waves and decreasing your delta brain waves (or whatever, I never paid a lot of attention to that stuff). You hook yourself up to your bio-feedback thingy which gives you a clear indication when you're producing the desired brain waves and you train yourself to bliss out on all those delicious theta waves whenever you feel like it. Bingo! Instant Zen, right?

Wrong. Zen practice has nothing to do with setting up some goal in your mind and then trying to use the practice to achieve that goal. It don't work like that. Real Zen practice is purely choiceless. It's all about seeing what is at this moment. If a clear mind comes, a clear mind comes. If a cloudy mind comes, a cloudy mind comes. What if no clear or cloudy mind comes? I hear it's raining cats and dogs in Idaho.

Now if you believe a machine - the product of thought made into matter - can take you beyond all thought, well, feel free to call that toll free number and get your tape. As for me, I'll stick with staring at walls, thank you very much.
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The Enlightenment Machine

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:33 am
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Lucid

First off, I've never heard of "holosync", but if I'm correct, it's probably similar to Hemi-Sync and the brainwave generator software. While I don't believe this stuff can help you instantly achieve Zen (whatever that means to you), I do believe that it can help some people reach more relaxed states than they can achieve by their current discipline alone. Check out the user comments on the presets pages at http://www.bwgen.com Maybe it's just a placebo effect, but this stuff seems to be working for a few people. If this Holosync company is advertising their product as instant enlightenment, then I'm with you on thinking that they're full of it. I don't believe enlightenment can be achieved through a $19.95 cd, but I can't really make myself believe that it comes from staring at blank walls either.

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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:12 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Will B. Dunn

I don't think this author has actually tried HoloSync or other binaural programs. He clearly doesn't understand the actual nature of brain-sync technology or how it is properly used, and to me comes off as rather arrogant and ignorant in his brusque dismissal of these tools. The point of HoloSync isn't to instantly create enlightenment (though the ad he references certainly indicate otherwise), but to help "entrain" the mind to enter varying stages of trance/meditation. You're supposed to listen to binaural programs WHILE MEDITATING, not surfing the net or reading the morning paper. Listening to binaural beats helps new meditators attain clarity of mind and see the benefits of meditation more quickly than they would by simply trying to meditate. It's the exact same result one sees from pure meditation alone- the more you do it, the easier it gets. Tools such as these simply help keep people from giving up too easily. I for one have often been frustrated by the mental chatter going on in my head, and I know for a fact that many people give up on meditation because they never get past that first stumbling block. IMO, if these tools help more people sincerely get into meditation and make it a regular practice, well, what's the harm in that?

BTW I have not used HoloSync, but I enjoy the aforementioned Brain Wave Generator (bwgen) very much. It has certainly helped me get past my initial meditation difficulties.

The Enlightenment Machine

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:47 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Son of mr. gordo

I think you addressed exactly what the author was trying to get across:
The point of HoloSync isn't to instantly create enlightenment (though the ad he references certainly indicate otherwise)
I imagine if the makers of Holosync were to advertise themselves in a manner that didn't portray themselves as offering a quick way to "enlightenment" (however you wish to define that," the author wouldn't have had a problem. Is the author arrogant and condesecending? Not really, as much as he was right on the mark. I always cringe when I see ads from companies offering a product that will help one "meditate deeper than a Zen monk." It would have been more beneficial of the company to make a claim that their products assist those that are having problems with meditation than suggesting a replacement for meditation. Other than that, hey, if one believes the product helps, then I say go for it.


Son of mr. gordo

The Enlightenment Machine

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:20 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: pathless

I still use my dads Human Plus Hemi-Sync Tapes developed by the Monroe Institute.They are a good companion with my twice a day meditations.The weird astral shit I expirence happens 80 % of the time after listening to a tape.

The Enlightenment Machine

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:31 am
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Son of mr. gordo

pathless,

That's pretty interesting. Do you think the tapes have assisted your ability to astral project more easily?

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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:59 am
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: pathless

Yes Im 100% sure of it...but I DO NOT THINK the oppertunity would evan be there without Energy prana chi or ki

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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:25 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Will B. Dunn

Mr. Gordo,

You are, of course, absolutely right. The HoloSync ad is completely misleading. I reacted strongly to the author's seeming lack of first-hand experience with the technology, but his assertions are correct regarding the nonexistence of an enlightenment machine. I just wonder if the author would be so quick to "stick with staring at walls" if he actually tried giving this or a similar program a chance. That's the arrogance I referred to.

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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:51 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Son of mr. gordo

Yes, there is no question that the author Brad Warner is biased. He is an ordained Zen Buddhist Priest and has his own convictions. Just as the makers of Holosync havnen't done a study of "staring at walls", as compared to their product, both are wrong in their steadfast beliefs from a logical perspective.

Two strong wills don't make a right. :-D




Son of mr. gordo

The Enlightenment Machine

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:26 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Specktackular

I have the Orion Mind Machine which is okay once you get used to it, but it is nothing like meditation. It's more like tanning or watching TV. The weird thing is that when you're done, you feel more creative or relaxed or energized or whatever according to the program you ran. Combine this with binaural beats and you can get some noticeable results.