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Introduction to Tantra for the Female Human
Disclaimer: There are some texts that state that a female cannot be intiiated or complete the study of the tantras to any great effect. This is bullshit and should not be adhered to by any female, regardless of the status of the practitioner. For one to rise above consensual reality, one must be aware of the direct interplay of the Eternal and boundless Absolute upon all things, and within the essence of all beings, male or female. It is from the serpent/father we all emanate and thus, ladies, if you annot find a great adept amongst the humans, LadyHydralisk says, go amongst the gods.
I've been recieving a number of correspondences over the past few months regarding initiation into the tantric mysteries. The first thing that needs to be discussed amongst females is the predominance of males and their dominion over the established realm of tantra. The feminine resides in the realm of the ever-changing, and so has access to all forms at all times. During the koli-yug, the end of the reigning Brahma or temporary absolute, the female has formidable powers available to her. These are specially connected to the masculine principle, but it is not at all discussed by proper authority figures.

You will find my writings to be a mish mash of Hinduism and Buddhism, and I have no trouble with this at all, as I have found reflections of absolute reality in all of the little human religions.

None of the established priesthoods have a working knowledge of the proper rituals or lost technology that man established at the dawn of civlization. IT has been too long, like the story that makes its way down the lunchline at school, many things have been lost even in their own countries of origin. If this were not so, we would probably spend more time practicing and less time arguing.

Even amongst the Tibetan lamas, there is great distortion and misuse of the teachings. I will go over a few examples of this and point out why it is I do not reccomend "paid" or "official initiation into the various schools of Buddhism. I am very fond of Hinduism but even in India they still have problems, and I consider that the last island of spiritual "sanity" in the entire world. We see that in Iraq with the absolute horrendous bloodshed and war, we have come full circle in the cradle of civilization, we have run the gamut around the globe. Society will soon come to an end, bringing with it a new dawn of man. This is nothing special, it is no more or less exciting than any other time in history. It is in fact more difficult to exist, for both males and females and children.

There have been a number of cases among Western women being raped or exploited by initiated and very important Tibetan lamas. It is not spiritual, and it is not sacred to be approached inappropriately by church leaders. The wrathful, drunken and handsome Siva Bhairav of the tantras is more likely to be found in a gothic-industrial club or in a city alley than he is likely to be found in the body of a well fed and rich monk.

In this age there is a sense of being lost, of not knowing what your true purpose is. We are not lost, we are only misplaced. All of the creation will answer back to the original master, it is only a matter of time. There is no loophole that allows for eternal suffering or eternal misery. There is only hope, so endless that it need not be spoken of. The sovereign reality beyond what we can see and touch is The Absolute.

The Absolute
is a Tantric term revealing both the masculine principle, and the transcendence of duality. The Absolute contains both male and female, and arguably so, the female principle emerges from the male. The Absolute is masculine, it is the will of heaven. From itself it creates many lesser absolutes - the gods, the angels, the devils, the humans, the underlying and complex systems that govern the humans and even the gods themselves. Above even the masters of time, mahakala, kali, durga, ningishzidda, wepuat, apsu, the Absolute reigns supreme. It is ineffable, because we are extended from it and incomplete. It is God, and yet it is not. It cannot be expressed in the realm of man. It is beyond the beyond. Yet it resides in each of us, a never ending source of intelligence, ideas and inspiration is constantly available as a well in our minds, if we only provide the proper cup. This is The Absolute.

The Absolute is also sometimes referred to as Siva (Shiva), in the Hindu schools, or systems, especially in Saivism, the sect of Hinduism dedicated to the great adept Siva. It is not preferable to use this term if you are not dedicated to Siva, for it can cause some confusion. I followed Siva for a great many moons and reccomend his teachings as guru, but I do not research it any longer.

The counterpart to The Absolute is known as sakti (shakti). This is the second part of the greater reality. All other things emanate from these two great, awesome and terrible forces. Sakti is described as a current, as a power. It is dark in nature and connected with serpents. In Saivism, sakti is said to reside in Siva's dreadlocks, as the kundalini sakti. She is a serpent. A soft hisssssss emanates from his tangled hair, whereas Lord Krsna's hair is said to be soft and luxuriant, and perfumed with rose water. Krsna is a pimp.

It must be understood that there is a Triumvirate in Hinduism. It consists of Lord Krsna, The Preserver, who is beautiful and opulent, Lord Siva, The Destroyer, who is a hermit and oriented towards simplicity and Brahma, the Creator, who represents Creation (Some would say, Malkuth) There is a fourth principle which I will not speak of.

Now, if you wish to enter into bhakti (love-devotion) with Siva or Krsna, all you must do is be sincere about it and open your heart to images, sounds or writings of Krsna or Siva. One for Krsna is the Bhagavad gita. One for Siva is the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra. It is important to understand that these two great intelligences are the basis for all cosmic interplay on a physical level here on the planet earth. They are not light weights, and are not easily amused by tampering with their sphere by demanding their servitude. I will explain how to approach both of them in another entry.

This is tantra with a Hindu flavor. In Tibetan Buddhism, which I consider to be superior to all other forms of Buddhism outside of Japan, things are much different. Here we have less consideration of the Triumvirate, and more focus on transcendence of duality, which you see in the various thangkas depicting the union of opposites. These are often also surrounded by many other opposites, dancing about the copulating couple, and at the very top you will on occasion find an image pertaining to the seed principle of these two gods. Thus it reflects how the male splits in two and becomes god and goddess upon entering the physical realm. This allows for some special tricks that the female half can access, and it is for this reason that female magicians are even more dangerous and deadly than the male counterpart, for they have a direct link to nothingness, as well...

Here is an excerpt from The Shadow of the Dalai Lama:


"It is no surprise that the â??militant Tantricâ?Â

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LadyHydralisk;285935 wrote:
Introduction to Tantra for the Female Human
During the koli-yug, the end of the reigning Brahma or temporary absolute, the female has formidable powers available to her. These are specially connected to the masculine principle, but it is not at all discussed by proper authority figures.
Heinrich von Glasenapp calls pure Shaktism the contrary counter-force to androcentric Buddhism: â??pure, hundred-percent Shaktism is the teaching of all those sects which regard Durga or one of her forms as the mistress of the worldâ?Â

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Warning: Some rambling about myself at the start. Skip this if you want and go to where I start talking on topic.

I was getting somewhat frustrated with this particular section of the forum and how it dealt with topics...it is somewhat refreshing to see something presented in a serious light as it is something very close to my heart. I had been in the occult moving around here and there for many years and amassed a great deal of information but never found anything that captured and inspired me. Somehow I fell into Hinduism and Yoga and for the first time in my life I actually felt spiritual. It started with a chance encounter with the works of Swami Vivekananda in an old used book store and from that point on I was drawn in and found what I was looking for. I have since become a devotee of Lord Shiva even going so far as to Dreadlock my hair like in some Savite traditions. One day I hope to become a renunciate though it is not as question of if but rather when and how. I think I have rambled enough about myself...so I will move on to the actual topic...

It really isn't a suprise to see a decline in True Spirituality as we are nearing the end of the Kali Yuga. If my memory serves me correct we are in the 53rd portion which is a little over half done. At the end of the Kali Yuga the world is destroyed and remade after a Night of Brahma which lasts roughly 4.3 billion years. Then Brahma is reborn and the Day of Brahma begins again and the Universe as we know it begins to take shape through the Divine Will. The Vedic Cosmology is the closest time system to that of modern science spanning 4.3 billion years in a complicated system designed during a time when the people of today still considered the world primitive but I will try not to get of on a tangent about the contributions of India to the world.

It is getting harder and harder to find a Guru let alone a Sat Guru (True Guru) in these times. Most are either hidden away in the Himalayas or not accessable to most people. Even in India it is hard to find a real guru and most of the Sadhu are not true Sadhu but merely pale imitations of the once great ascetic tradition of the yogis. Swami Vivekananda states that it is very hard to be truely religious and submit completely to the Divine and only a handful of people in a country can be said to be truely religious, a couple hundred a most.

...I have a feeling this is going to turn out to be another one of my long rambling post's...

While many people use initiations and such for misguided means the help of a real guru is indespensible to the spiritual aspirant. The guru can open the eyes of the aspirant to many things they may have missed because they themselves have walked the path the aspirant is walking now. The relationship between guru and student is a divine one and should be treated as such. In a way the guru becomes like a parent and the student the child. One has but to read of Yogananda's relationship with his guru in "Autobiography of a Yogi" to see what I mean by this.

I take many different things and weave a complex tapestry of theology though I draw mostly from Advaita Vendanta. However the Absolute...the Godhead...Brahman...is without attribute. Neither male or female. It exists without existing. The sole cause for reality. It is nothing and everything. All god's are but manifestations of Brahman who is beyond the limited understanding of the unrealized human. Attaching qualities changes it from being Absolute. However you could say it has attributes of sex as known by occultists through human understanding. There is the male portion which is static, it is the Universe itself. Then there is the female portion which is dynamic which is the energy which causes the Universe to function.

Shiva is the absolute as can be understood by humans. He is the most powerful extension of Brahman. He is Lord over even Death and when the Universe is destroyed by his dance it is he alone who remains to start the cycle again. He is the only deathless god and very complex even among the complex gods of Hinduism. The snakes he wears about his body symbolize his conquest over death and fear. To anyone else a snake is an object of fear but Shiva say's "Look, I wear these as oranaments upon my body and am not afraid for I have conquered even Death." The ashes which cover his body are from the funeral pyres as well and these to signify many things. In Hinduism people are not often buried. Cremation is the most common form of funeral and Shiva covers his body in the ashes from the Funeral Pyres. This symbolizes that everything returns to him at some points. All beings return to his grace when the time comes. It is even said that Shiva grants favor to those who merely pronounce his mantra (Om Nama Sivaya) and his very name means "The Auspicious One". He is an easy god to please and rejoices in his devotees chanting his mantra and showing their love for him through Bhakti. However do not let his kindness blind you for he is also a stern mentor who is fierce when crossed. If one approaches Shiva and is not sincere and only desires boon's then they shall find themselves worse off then before as the Lord does not take kindly to such actions.

Beyond these manifestations with qualities however lies Brahaman that is without qualities. This is the Absolute. The Atman is without sex or quality. The Jiv may have qualities but it is only illsuionary as the Jiv is ultimately only an extension of the Atman or Self (Soul) which is Brahman.

I am tired so this may be a bit disjointed. Perhaps I will try again some other time and I hope there was a point in there instead of simply rambling...

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[QUOTE=LadyHydralisk;285935]Disclaimer: There are some texts that state that a female cannot be intiiated or complete the study of the tantras to any great effect. This is bullshit and should not be adhered to by any female, regardless of the status of the practitioner. For one to rise above consensual reality, one must be aware of the direct interplay of the Eternal and boundless Absolute upon all things, and within the essence of all beings, male or female. It is from the serpent/father we all emanate and thus, ladies, if you annot find a great adept amongst the humans, LadyHydralisk says, go amongst the gods.
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I must say I thought that was beautifully written, could be a poem!

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Bhakti is a concept in Hinduism. It interplays in tantric arts as a ritualistic dedication to a god or goddess. We see this in Western traditions all the time. A gnostic priest for instance, may choose devotion to Sophia. Bhakti, in Sanskrit means "devotion".

Bhakti is a serious practice, not intended for everyone. Because it requires renunciation of everything the adherent holds dear - up to and including their own children, wife, family members, posessions - all must be given up to be processed by the mind of the deity the devotee gives their bhakti to. It is not a short term goal, it is not a thing to be taken lightly. It is as if you are entering a convent or monestary out in the world. The entire Absolute becomes your sanctuary and refuge is found in your god.

Another term that gets tossed around a lot is "guru" guru means teacher, in Sanskrit. It is a very simple term like sensei is in Japanese. It is not mystical except that to be a tantric adept or student of bhakti, one must recognize that the guru is within at all times. We have teachings within us, from the darkness, the nothingness, the light within.

Devotion to Lord Siva is partaken of through varying degrees, some intricate,m some simple. Most of all Siva values peace, peace and quiet. This may sound strange for a god of destruction, yet it is not.

In all tantric arts, the opposite of one instance provides the buoyancy that projects or catapults the initiate and adept into outerspace (the higher realms) therefore, the forbidden acts as a guide and means, a way out of the system. In Buddhism we know that this trap is called samsara, or maya. It is deadly. Maya is not all femalekind. It is a word for a certain kind of female, that of the constricting world. We don't like it. This is not traditional tantric text or anything,so don't expect to hear it anywhere else. I write freely because it is good to tell such things.

Siva is Lord of All that is known. We see Siva in all manner of principles and forces acting around us. Yes, from the fiery volcano to the rock of Gibraltar, all this too, has been viewed as manifestations of Siva.

In Western terms, Siva is horny constantly. Yet he is hardly ever away from his consort. This is where problems arise. :D When Siva is stripped of his consort, he becomes angry and disturbed. He cannot find peace and will travel to the ends of the earth to find solace. There is a romantic old tale about Siva's first wife, Sati.
"Daksha, the prajapati, was the master of civilization. He formulated the rules of society and ensured the survival of the traditional order. His daughters were wives of the gods and their children had gone on to populate the whole world. His youngest child, Sati,a special child was a manifestation of the mother-goddess herself. She would make the perfect wife for Shiva, thought Vishnu. Brahma concurred. Daksha abhorred Shiva. Shiva was Ekavratya, an unorthodox hermit, who lived by his own rules, not always acceptable to traditional society. He refused to conform to the ways of the world.

As guardian of civilization, Daksha found that the subversive Shiva wandered in cremation grounds with a rowdy bunch of renegades consuming intoxicants that are forbidden in decent society. He sang and danced wherever he wanted to, with little heed to decorum and protocol. He had no home, no possessions, no family, no vocation; he was a drifter, ritually impure, unsuitable for any of my daughters, especially Sati. Shiva refused to indulge Daksha's ego. Daksha made the laws, defined codes of conduct, formulated the rules of society. He considered himself to be someone special. He expected reverence. Shiva refused to indulge in any social rules that promoted pomposity in the name of respect. Above the bowed heads of the gods, Daksha saw Shiva as having no respect nor disrespect. It is as if Daksha did not exist.


"I have renounced the world, how can I marry her,"cried Shiva. He could not ignore the intensity of Sati's love for him. I have nothing to offer. I have neither property nor a lineage, nor do I desire any. I only observe society; I do not participate in it Shiva told her. "Because you are incomplete without me and I am incomplete without you. I do not ask for anything, but you. I accept you for what you are, not for what you have" said Sati.

Sati followed Shiva wherever he went, over hills, across desolate plains and dense forests, through cremation grounds. Shiva at first ignored Sati. He barely acknowledged her. She followed him selflessly, content to be by his side. Her fortitude and patience, her serene determination to be his consort, her giving nature and radiant personality everything about her pleased Shiva.

Daksha meanwhile organised a great yagna. (party) All the gods were invited except Shiva as he meant to insult Shiva. Shiva was offended. Inspite of Shiva's admonitation Sati willfully went for the yagna. Her father insultingly said "you were not invited. Are you fed up with your vagabond husband." Sati stood up for her husband. "He is a true yogi, he has no attachment to the false ways of the world and society. He is one with nature and the plants and beasts".

Daksha was so enraged with Shiva. He had forgotton that Sati was his beloved daughter. Daksha called Shiva a uncouth beast. Sati wept with humiliation. The humiliation was hard to bear . She sat on the ground, controlled her breath and stoked her inner fire and self immolated her self .

News of Sati's death shocked Shiva. Shiva experienced the pangs of separation, viraha, the anguish of loneliness. From that suffering, came anger. Shiva became Jvareshva, lord of fevers.


Shiva plucked out his hair and lashed it on the ground to create the grim Virabhadra and the fierce Bhadrakali. Go ravish the sacrifice - violate the fire, poison the waters, pollute the air and kill the gods. They deprived me of Sati, let them be deprived of their lives," ordered Shiva.

Virabhadra picked up his trident and summoned an army, a cackling horde of ghosts, goblins, ghouls, genii, monsters, demons, dragons, freaks, fiends and spirits - the ganas of Shiva. They marched towards Daksha's sacrificial halls cheered by the shrill cries of Bhadrakali. Evil omens had begun to appear at Daksha's palace. Vultures circled above the sacrificial altar, wolves howled.
Fear arose in the very heart of the cosmos. A hundred thousand rabid dogs rushed into Daksha's precinct carrying on their backs the monsters of fever. These fiends leapt on the gods and struck them with such fury that they all began to convulse.Virabhadra and his savage entourage descended on the scene. They wrecked the place sacred vessels were kicked, tapestries were ripped and pavilions burnt.As the gods took flight, the demons seized and massacred them all. Bhadrakali drank their blood.

The sage Bhrigu used his magical powers and tried to conjure up spirits who would save the yagna. But the spirits refused to emerge when they heard Bhadrakali howl. Those that did were dismembered by Shiva's ganas. Finally Bhadrakali dragged Daksha by his feet towards the fire-altar. Virabhadra raised his ax and beheaded the prajapati. The severed head was tossed into the flames.The sacrificial hall was now claimed by Shiva. He became known as Hara,the ravisher. Finally Shiva's fury subsided. Only the sorrow remained.

Sati was dead

Shiva walked into Daksha's sacrificial hall and was confronted with the aftermath of the bloodbath. He was filled with pity. The survivors of the carnage fell at his feet and begged for mercy. He smiled. Instantly a fragrant breeze swept across the scene. The fevers subsided. The dead gods arose as if waking from a deep slumber. Their wounds had healed, the broken bones had been mended, the missing limbs restored. Shiva found Daksha's headless body and brought it back to life, replacing his head with that of a goat. Shiva then gave him the city of Bhogya. This is a city of uninhibited pleasure."I created it for Sati. Here I indulged in every pleasure imaginable and became a bhogi. But now Sati is no more. I have no use for Bhogya. I gift it to you."The goat-headed prajapati began to sing Shiva's praises. You are Shankar, the benevolent one, a kind god,


Shiva picked up Sati's lifeless body. He could not bring himself to cremate it. The body was all that he had to remind him. Distraught, he wandered across the cosmos with Sati's corpse in his arms, with tears in eyes. Shiva could not be consoled. His mournful cry rent the galaxies and stunned the gods. This must stop, said Brahma, Otherwise the whole cosmos will be submerged by Shiva's agony. Vishnu raised his finger to spin his mighty discus, sudarshan chakra, and let it fly. Its sharp edges ripped Sati's corpse into 108 pieces. These fell in different parts of Earth, and became the shrines of Sati. With the body gone, there was nothing left to remind Shiva of Sati, except memories. And memories fade.

Sati had taught Shiva all about pleasure. Her departure had taught him about anger. Together kama-krodha trap man in samsara. Shiva had had enough of life. He isolated himself in the icy caves of the Himalayas. He became a recluse once more. The mother-goddess, embodiment of all matter, is never stable. She is constantly in a state of flux.

Her death was a transformation. Sati would return in another form."


If you pay attention the parts I color coded and emphasized, any female should be able to come to a conclusion as to what sort of devotion is required to gain Siva's attention. Another important day for devotion to Siva is Sivaratri. Even the tiniest amount of devotion on this day will garner huge rewards. However, even time is meaningless to Siva, so at any time you may seek him within you. You may approach him as a brother or as a lover, as a king or a warlord, as a demon or an angel. It matters not what form you prefer.

He is traditionally depicted with white skin, not blue skin. The dark blue skin belongs to his brother, Krsna and that higher aspect, Vishnu. Siva's throat is blue.

One of the greatest bhakti devotees of Siva was the lady Akka Mahadevi, she wrote poems to her Lord Siva which have survived since the 12th century. She underwent great physical and emotional trauma in order to follow her lord, and was eventually cast out into society, where she wandered the streets covered only in her long hair. She turned down the life of a queen to follow Siva:

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Would a circling surface vulture
know such depths of sky
as the moon would know?

would a weed on the riverbank
know such depths of water
as the lotus would know?

would a fly darting nearby
know the smell of flowers
as the bee would know?

O lord white as jasmine,
only you would know
the way of your devotees:
how would these,

these
mosquitoes
on the buffalo's hide?



[...]

Like a silkworm weaving
her house with love
from her marrow,
and dying
in her body's threads
winding tight, round
and round,
I burn
desiring what the heart desires.

Cut through, O lord,
my heart's greed,
and show me
your way out,

O lord white as jasmine.

And the best advice of all:

Till you've earned
knowledge of good and evil

it is
lust's body,
site of rage,
ambush of greed,
house of passion,
fence of pride,
mask of envy.

Till you know and lose this knowing
you've no way
of knowing
my lord white as jasmine.

I know an extremely handsome tantric adept who is a Bhairav (fierce aspect) of Lord Siva, if you wish to speak to him and learn the ways of Siva you may msn him at seijuro.jacob@gmail.com. (girls only please)

kekekekekekkee! :cool: watch out he bites.


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deviadah;286005 wrote:I must say I thought that was beautifully written, could be a poem!

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thanks Ningishzidda is helping me write this

Also Sati was reborn - as Parvati, mountain princess:

Parvati had to prove the earnestness of her feelings if she wished to be Shiva's consort. She focussed her mind on Shiva. She thought of nothing but him. She ate nothing, drank nothing, she only chanted his name. She sat so still that ants began to crawl on her skin and lizards slithered over her limbs. Sages were impressed by the determination of the mountain princess. They gathered around her and blessed her. Shiva appeared before Parvati as a youth and said, "Shiva is a coarse barbarian with rogues for friends. A beautiful girl like you needs a handsome man for her husband, someone like me."


Parvati continued to think about Shiva. Shiva appeared disguised as an old man. Child, stop craving for Shiva. He is a celibate ascetic, stern and boring. He will not make you happy; he will ignore you. He is not worthy of you. Marry someone clever like Vishnu or strong as Indra. Parvati continued to think about Shiva. Shiva then came in the form of a deformed dwarf. If Shiva is good enough for you, you obviously aren't very choosy. Why don't you marry me instead? I won't be as demanding as Shiva; I will be at your beck and call. Parvati ignored him and continued to think about Shiva. Parvati's persistence was amazing. Shiva was impressed. He agreed to marry her. By traditional rites! demanded the gods. Shiva agreed.


A beggar, accompanied by a dog, appeared in front of Himavan's palace with a rattle-drum in hand. He began to dance to the rhythm of the drum. He danced so beautifully that the king and queen of the mountains were enchanted. Everybody was. They had never seen such grace. They offered the beggar clothes and food. He refused them all. They offered him jewels but he refused that too. What do you seek?" asked the king.

Ask and it shall be yours. I want your daughter Parvati, said the beggar. You must let her marry Shiva, the - great yogi. Before Himavan could voice his protest, the beggar disappeared. He was none other than Shiva as Bhikshatan, the supreme mendicant.

In keeping with tradition he had asked for his bride's hand in marriage. We will take the marriage invitation to the groom, said Vishnu, Brahma and the seven cosmic sages, the sapta rishis smothering Himavari's protests. Before he could stop them, they were on their way to Kailash.

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corbin_israfael;285985 wrote:Shiva is the absolute as can be understood by humans. He is the most powerful extension of Brahman. He is Lord over even Death and when the Universe is destroyed by his dance it is he alone who remains to start the cycle again. He is the only deathless god and very complex even among the complex gods of Hinduism. The snakes he wears about his body symbolize his conquest over death and fear.
Yes this is true, but any woman who ends her quest at Siva is cheating herself, because there is yet more to be told. I will return to this in a few short days. It is what is meant by "transhumanism".

I have already addressed this with my reference to Durga.

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"It was to be the grandest wedding. Himavan spared no effort or expense to make the wedding ceremony a success. Sacred diagrams were placed on the floor and the walls. Priests chanted the prayers according to the sacred texts. Every traditional rite was followed in minute detail. Parvati was anointed with fragrant oils and bathed. Auspicious marks were placed on her body and she was bedecked . She was a beautiful bride, happy at the thought of marrying the man she wanted. News came that the groom's party had reached the royal hill and was on its way up to the palace. Parvati's mother, Mena, and her handmaids stood at the gates with garlands and incense to welcome the groom. There was excitement all around. Nobody had ever seen Shiva. They all wondered what he looked like. He was hideous. Matted hair, ash-smeared face, snakes around his neck and for clothes, a strip of elephant hide across his loins: Shiva looked repulsive. He carried a trident in one hand, a drum in another and rode a bull. Shiva seemed to be in a state of inebriation. Around him were his friends foulmouthed hooligans. They were beating drums and blowing trumpets, creating a cacophony of sound. The groom's party seemed to comprise of the most deadly, bloodthirsty, fiendish creatures.
All the gypsies, gnomes, genii, ghosts and goblins that haunted hill slopes and crossroads. The procession was led by witches and vampires, sorcerers and conjurers, phantoms and spirits. Like Shiva, all were drinking and becoming more unruly by the minute. They screamed and shrieked, danced and jumped about the place. Glory to Shiva, glory to Shiva, they shouted, throwing skulls, bones and the most venomous reptiles imaginable. The shock was too much to bear. Mena fainted."

"Who is this freak? He may be a great god, but he will not marry my daughter. I will not let him." said Himavan. "He is Shiva," said Vishnu."I assure you he is the greatest of gods, Maheshvar, himself." "Lock the palace gates. Keep that man and his rowdy companions out, Meena told the guards. No mother in her right mind will give her dear child to such a madman. Parvati was shocked by her parent's decision. They promised to find her a better groom. No, I want only Shiva. Mena couldn't believe her ears: I think that yogi, that sorcerer, has cast a spell on our child. The marriage had been called off.


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Krishna is Siva's counterpart. Unlike Siva, who manifests as a one dimensional archetype, (presently) Krishna is a dark and fragrant lotus with a million petals who emerges from the realm of the sacred waters, and thus he draws upon all that is and ever was. Vishnu accesses the hidden parts of the world, and under the world, and beyond that, the universe itself.

Lord Krishna bequethes upon his devotees the gift of beauty and inspiration. No one who truly loves Krishna will go away empty handed. He must be compelled to come to all of his lovers, not a single female resists his attention for long, for it is he who acts in the machinations of female pleasure, and the realm of delusion, grandeur and wanton abandon - this is Eros, and Anubis, almost all of the gods of the dead world. The ancient city of golden shadow, bathed in the sparkling diamond flecked waters of oblivion.

Krishna dwells in Vishpurna, with his girlfriends, also called gopis, or cowherds. Krishna can never stand to be away from them for very long, and he is constantly engaging in lila (play of life) with them. Where Siva represents asceticism and monogamy, Krishna represents opulence and the harama, polyamory in all of its forms.

In India the two sects, Vaishnivism and Saivism are at odds. Lord Krishna's devotees claim that Siva is the slave of Krishna or Vishnu, Lord Siva followers claim Krishna is only a pale reflection of Siva's awesome power. The truth is found in between.

Krishna is a playful trickster, and revels in spreading lies and confusion, Siva is a master of meditation, he is arrogant and quick to anger, for he has no patience for the illusions, - he wants them all to obey his will.

I have dwelt with both Krishna and Siva, in the most divine moments of supreme blis. Siva is power - make no doubt about that - he is ruthless, chilling and without thought towards petty emotions or 'stray thoughts' - his term for his enemies.


Krishna is fragrance, beauty, lust for life, the intoxicating reality of The Absolute draped in beautiful veils of color and sense, sound and light.

Both are ecstasy, both are faces of the one true reality, under which all manifests and plays, the great lila.

Krishna is dark - Siva is pale. Siva was born first.

Here are some poems by the great saint Mirabai, in comparing these to the other great adept, Akka Mahadevi, whom was devoted to Lord Siva, we can come to understand the differences that make up these two enormous and potent forces.

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That dark Dweller in Braj
Is my only refuge.

O my companion,

Worldly comfort is an illusion,

As soon you get it, it goes.

I have chosen the Indestructible for my refuge,

Him whom the snake of death

Will not devour.

My Beloved dwells in my heart,
I have actually seen that Abode of Joy.
Mira's Lord is Hari, the Indestructible.

My Lord, I have taken refuge with Thee,

Thy slave.
Drink the nectar of the Divine Name,
O human!
Drink the nectar of the Divine Name!
Leave the bad company,
always sit among righteous company.

Hearken to the mention of God (for your own sake).
Concupiscence, anger, pride, greed, attachment:
wash these out of your consciousness.
Mira's Lord is the Mountain-Holder,
the suave lover.
Soak yourself in the dye of His colour.



It is worthy of note here that Krishna sometimes is said to have had an avatar, or rather, one of the many avatars of Vishnu, called Krishna, was an extremely dark blue individual who belonged to a sect or tribe that soaked themselves in indigo dye, to imbue themselves with the color.

In my experience Krishna is easy to recognize, but I Did not do so when I encountered him the first few times - I was not looking for him. There was a couple of instances over the years where I suddenly felt intensely compelled to soak myself in a hot bath filled with blue food coloring. :D It might be completely lovely, but who knows how the rest of the humans might act!

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Grass always looks greener on other side of the fence. A mountain looks more beautiful from a large distance. Only familiarity brings contempt on way to true realization. I watch hindu tantrics & yogis from close quarters and know very well that they are rank hypocrites.
There have been great spiritual traditions among native red indian americans and aborigins of various cultures & continents.
There have been many greats in the western world in hypnotism & spirit-communication.
Alas! all these are being overlooked & given a go-by.

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One does not come to know these great deities through learning alone. Especially in the koli yug, one must often find their own pathway through the dark forest. It is here that Siva dwells. Siva appears without the name. He is outside of Hinduism. It is the great destroyer that crushes the dwarf of ignorance and the small man beneath his feet. here, ladies, is the inspiration for you to glowingly praise. When there is no male worthy of your praise, in Siva you may find the manifest destiny for the DNA molecule to become. The Wheel of life and fire itself spins around Siva Nataraj (king of the dance) he is the column of pure fire descending from The Absolute into this puny realm. There is no escaping his gaze. He is:

Lord of Vampires
Lord of Witches
Lord of Death
Lord of Infamy
Lord of Power
Lord of Killing
Lord of Murder
Lord of Madness
Lord of Terror
Lord of Benevolence
Lord of Mercy
Lord of a Thousand Knives
Lord of Destiny

and so on and so forth. Without Hinduism, yes, Siva would still exist. He is a vast concept articulated by ancient India, a land with countless schools of knowledge and experience in the old ways of magick.

to begin in tantra, one must begin to reflect on one's life, and attempt to locate where one may have seen such powerful archetypes as this, and try to find a "weave" with which you can continue on your correct journey.

I was dedicated to Lord Vishnu under the name of his avatar, Nrsrimadevqa when I was five years old. However I encountered Siva when I was 15 and continued a relationship with his presence until I was 19 years old. It was because of this devotion that I began to find myself descending into the lower realms which in turn propelled me into the highest.

The phrase here is

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COSMIC MOMENTUM

This is what tantra is all about. When we generate cosmic momentum, we no longer have to keep managing all of our spiritual affairs, they simply begin to gather up and come to us. It is never too late to start in tantra. Never.

Lord Siva does not only visit fair young maidens. Lord Krishna does not ignore the yearnings of a filthy alley cat. They do not judge the pure call of the spirit. It is up to you to decide that you accept yourself before you can accept them.

The benefits you can hope to garner from this effort is unfathomable. I would *die* to experience some of these dwellings. You wouldn't believe it if I told you.

Also you can hope to attain:

Better Looks
Strength
Endurance
Fortitude
Peace of Mind
Patience
Work Ethic
Kindness
An Eternal Lover
Sexual Satisfaction
Divine MAdness (poetesses are all girlfriends of Lord Krishna)
Lust for Life
Harmony with Nature
Rejection of Harmful Bacteria
Tolerance of others
Less worries

My experiences with Siva began with the onset of puberty. It is here that The initiation into the realm of Vishnu began to show up - I was caught up in the machinations of these great intelligences. Krishna always supports his brother, Siva, even if it takes some goading. The first experience I recall is the ascetic devotion. When I was 15 and lived in Montana the temperatures during the winter would drop to around -18 degrees below zero. To experience solitude and strengthen my mind I would lay on the concrete floor with carpeting laid out under me and meditate in the cold and dwell on enduring it, with no comfort of pillow or blanket. I would also trek out in the middle of the snow drifts wearing nothing but shorts and a tank top, to prove to myself that I could handle it. When this was going on I would also meditate intensely on whatever was available - characters from video games and I would allow whatever scenario surfaced to play out in my mind. I recognize some of the archetypes now as Siva. They were distant - cold and alien. I do not remember ever feeling threatened by them. It was something that was greater than I was. Then a few years later, I would go out in the middle of the night in the city and find a bush to crawl under and I would bury myself in the leaves and meditate on the night atmosphere, dwelling in the forest space. For a long time I wished to wander off into the forest and never return. These are all signs of Siva's consort. If you reflect on your own life, you will surely find similar signs, but you must be careful not to judge to harshly, or you will never find the faint threads of reality. (we live in illusion, not the other way around)

I will tallk about Krishna later, but right now I have more important things to do (like cook noodles)

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Awesome thread LH....:D :D

If I can think of anything else to add to the discussion, I will, but you have brought up some very important points, and right now, I can't think of anything else to add...

Keep writing, I am learning a lot from you...:)

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To produce the Vajrasattva, the highest attainment of perfect unison of the sexes, you can use the currents of Siva and Krishna (Vishnu) in these ways:

Once attaining to the devotion of Siva, find an avatar of Krishna to make love to (forceful sexual interaction, ie dominance setting)

Once attaining to the devotion of Lord Krishna, by finding an avatar of Siva to be screwed by, intensely.

Once attaining to ascendence beyond both of these archetypes, become the mother of both of them, and in meditative trance you can visualize them being your infant (this is done with Krishna often, not sure about Siva.....)

Sometimes, after I experience bliss trance infusion of the Absolute, I don't know where I am. I only say "Where am I" and the Absolute answers - Everywhere.

You do not need to find these humans, there is also spirit-love-devotion where you call entities to you to fulfill these roles. Siva is the Lord of all Demons, and so may also provide familiars where Goetics will not override any of his boundaries. He is the master of all. No matter how dark the forest, Siva will answer his devotees.

Another thing about Lord Krishna is he is connected with bees. It is said Krishna's love is like a bee, visiting each devotee when she is ready to open as a flower, whereas Siva's love comes to no one - he is like a huge rock in the sun, where Sakti slithers up to bask in the warmth...

In tantra, women are often said to be lotuses, and not spoken of very kindly either, unfortunately. It is for this reason any female tantric practitioner must be ready to raise the blade of Ma Kali at any time, for she is our greatest protector and the most feared of all the goddesses. Even Siva can fall before her sword....

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durki;286077 wrote:Grass always looks greener on other side of the fence. A mountain looks more beautiful from a large distance. Only familiarity brings contempt on way to true realization. I watch hindu tantrics & yogis from close quarters and know very well that they are rank hypocrites.
There have been great spiritual traditions among native red indian americans and aborigins of various cultures & continents.
There have been many greats in the western world in hypnotism & spirit-communication.
Alas! all these are being overlooked & given a go-by.

yes I agree

in Lakota we call Krishna Mica (coyote)

I finished my evening with a hamburger and visualized eating Siva's living flesh as I devoured Nandi. First time I have eaten meat in three weeks or so...

He wouldn't let me into Chokmah so I had to take him out...survival of the fittest.

Actually I had sex with him before this so, before he kicked me in the crotch and rolled me downhill to Chesed. I crawled back up and he ate me, so it was time to go to more extreme measures. In this way it is more like the mantis who devours her mate. Siva likes it so it's all cool. He's a weirdo.

This is tantra - paradox of opposites. I could eat shit or piss if I needed to - it's all the same at a certain level. No one who enters Tantra ever looks at the universe the same way again. So remember that, girls.

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Excellent stuff, thanks for writing! :)

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As I said before...the way in which topics are dealt with in this part of the forum are unsettling at best...

Shiva is known as a vegetarian and as such it should be considered blasphemy to think such thoughts while eating meat. That is unless you are of the Agorhi but they are an extreme sub-sect and I don't think they have thoughts of it being the flesh of Shiva when they do.

As for sex with Shiva...he is quite devoted to his various consorts and if you disturb his meditation with your flirting you may end up like Kama (Desire) when Shiva opens his 3rd eye.

If Tantra is the paradox of opposites then it is merely caught up in the Maya of this Reality. If you only see Duality then you can never realize Unity.

Of course...who is going to listen to me...

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you are like a vain Brahman

I slay you with my kali scimitar

begone, child

I wish to drink your blood and clean my blade on your dreadlocks

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I support your refutation of Corbin's words, Lady Hydralisk...

He is being obnoxiously dogmatic with his proclamations...

Tantra is about expanding one's imagination and finding new creative paths to explore, not limiting them to formerly concieved notions by inferior minds...

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I don't know why I try anymore with most people...perhaps deep down I truely do care even if I convince myself I do not or I wouldn't try as hard as I do to help people...not that I come to this forum all that often since it is not very active...

Tantra is an occult oriented form of Yoga or atleast from a technical veiw...though I personally and freely admit my lack of deep research into the subject since it never truely grabbed my attention.

Inferior minds? Inferior to whom? Are you saying the great saint-sage Patanjali is inferior to Lady Hydralisk? What of Swami Vivekananda and Sri Ramakrishna? What of all the Rishis who documented their findings before the invention of written history in the form of a oral tradition that forms the Eternal Scriptures known as the Vedas? Inferior minds...pre-concieved notions...you seem to lack knowledge of the depths of such notions to say these things in such a manner. I would without question take 1 Vivekananda over 100 Crowley's.

I am not vain in the way you may think. I merely disagree with your presentation of thought's and your philosophy at large which is not vanity but mere differentiation in thoughts. I acknowledge many different levels of spirituality and thought though indeed there are higher levels in technical terms but all are equal to a degree. At the lowest we have the worship of ancestor spirit's, nature spirits, elementals and demons and we continue up till we reach the non-dualistic all prevading force of Cosmic Reality and finally understand the true meaning of the mantra "Om Tat Sat Om". It is the human minds flawed attempt to place qualities on that which has none...to see things of a dualistic nature...it is this failed human logic that limits people...they do not look beyond this to find the truth of their assertations...one can think of Reality as a single organism and each part a different cell with a role to play....this organism is called God of which everything is a part thus are not two but one only different facets....

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Corbin, when I said "inferior minds," I wasn't referring to you...

I was referring to dogmatists in general...

Quit being so sensitive...:)

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Heh...it's not that I am sensitive but merely take some things in a literal context. When you said inferior minds I thought you were referring to the vast and deep philosophical systems of India which almost all build somewhat off the Vedas and Upanashids. Also I am very big on information of a technical nature however when dealing with Hinduism in particular the sheer amount of differentiation between philosophies of the same sect are astounding. You merely have to compare the proper Shavite Yogi to an Agorhi to see what I mean since they are at essentially opposite ends of the spectrum.

It may be that perhaps in this instance I am a bit bias as my influences are of the Advaita Vendanta Philosophy which is one of the oldest of India and non-dualistic in nature. I acknowledge the apparent duality of nature however at the same time know this is not truth as they only seem dual but in reality are one in the same.

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They are all equally inferior, for no one may equal my master Ningishzidda. What do you want of me, little man? Are you here to be crushed under the heel of Maha Siva? What good would it do? you are already clutched in the grasp of the lesser worlds

You must be very stupid. You are a beast, I will slay you with my bare claws. There will be no mercy for you little man!!! I will throw you to Shatala and she will have her way with you.

There are no goddesses elsewhere, I am all that is and ever was female. You are a shadow of him. We spit on you, and he laughs, as he always does....

there is no more to tell...no one will help you

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See...this is a great example of what I mean...I am myself a writer and could use flowery language if I so desired but I find that expression of philosophy in a written medium requires a somewhat logical format.

I seek no help for the Lord watches over me always. I have complete faith in him that he may keep me from harm as he always has. For what kind of god would he be if he crushed a faithful devotee under his heel even as he composes works of Divine Bliss?



Hymn of a Shiva Yogi

I am the Divine Sage sitting upon the Lotus Flower of my Mind. The Whiteness of the Lotus shining like the Supreme Reality untouched by the poison created by the churning Ocean of Milk as the Asuras choke upon the Breath of the Great Serpent. Reaching down with cupped hand's I drink of the vile nectar of the universe and hold it within my throat being a part of the world yet not of it. Undisturbed and and established in Samadhi, I sit as around me from all sides the Sacred Sound resonates within all thing's. From my parted lip's I chant the five syllable mantra while my hand's rest upon my lap in the ever thoughtful mudra. My Mind is a Mirror from which Awareness reflects itself thus allowing Self-Realization. The World is a distorted image upon the Sea of Consciousness and only once the Sea has calmed can the World be seen for what it is...a mere illusion. My hand forever count's the beads as they pass over my finger's. Each bead a reality and a life of which one must know as the cycle repeat's itself and it is only when one has finally found the Guru Bead that was hidden within the endless cycle of beads may one transcend the false reality known as existence.

Who am I? I exist within all being's though they may not know who I am. I sit upon the Lotus Flower as it gradually open's and closes through your Karmic Deed's and only when you follow the Dharma and open your Inner Eyes may you finally see me. I am within all thing's because I am everything. The Whispering Wind. The Singing Water. The Silent Earth and The Roaring Fire. The Person whose lip's you caress and indeed your own lip's that caress theirs. I am all yet nothing. I exist without existing. I am the True Self and there is but one Self. The Ego is but a Shackle for the Spirit. Your Soul is but an Extension of Me who is the True Self.

Forget not the Yamas and Niyamas for they shall ever guide you upon the Dharmic Path. Practice the Yogas and Detach yourself from this world of illusion and you shall forever be of me and taste the sweet nectar of enlightenment.

~Om Tat Sat Om

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boy, you are ssso easy to manipulate

you are not siva

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